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Post by Joon on May 19, 2013 8:08:24 GMT -8
Hello, Is this Rhaphipodus wallacii or R. suturalis?? the beetle measures 72mm. Thanks Joon Attachments:
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Post by Joon on May 19, 2013 8:08:59 GMT -8
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Post by bandrow on May 19, 2013 8:40:59 GMT -8
Hi Joon, I can't give you an answer easily, but here is a link to a scan of a key to Rhaphipodus including both wallacei and suturalis. You'll have to a do a little translating, unless you can read French (I can't) or transfer the text into Google Translate. I'll try to scan, then OCR, then translate this when I get time. Let me know if this helps... Cheers! Bandrow www.cerambycoidea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14344&SearchTerms=Rhaphipodus |
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Post by Joon on May 19, 2013 16:09:20 GMT -8
Hi bandrow!
thanks for the good reference.
I transferred the text into Google Translate.
R.suturalis:
Shorter antennae, a 1st item longer than the 3 and 4 reunited; elongated mandibles, a pretty sexual dimorphosme increases; prothorax narrower, close enough tarsi a last article as long as the other reunited.
R. wallacei
Front very concave between the eyes that are getting close to it; elytra san granules; prothorax very large; antennae shorter than 1st Article 3 and 4 less reunited; tarsi slightly widened, was almost equal to the last item more reunited.
But this is still confusing haha ;D
Joon
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Post by bandrow on May 19, 2013 18:39:17 GMT -8
Hi Joon, Yeah - Google Translate doesn't work 100%, especially with dichotomous keys. I'm working with it tonight translating keys for the Cerambycini of South America from the series 'Cerambycidae Sul-Americanos'. I enter "lobos oculares superiores" and it tells me "wolves eye top"  Once you get the translation, you can often clean it up by intuition, but sometimes it's still just a mess! Good luck! Bandrow |
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Post by bichos on May 28, 2013 17:18:32 GMT -8
lol
from "lobos oculares superiores" - superior occular lobes to "wolves eye pop" good luck indeed with google translate.
An app that understands the context of the translation would be worth developing, not an easy task tho...
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Post by bichos on May 28, 2013 17:27:50 GMT -8
I have a similar specimen from perak W. Malaysia which I have not identified thus far I assume they are the same species. Attachments:
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Post by Joon on May 28, 2013 17:59:17 GMT -8
Nice! these guys are monsters. Very wide width. They are very big compared to other Remphanini species.
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Post by bandrow on Jun 8, 2013 10:44:10 GMT -8
Hi Joon,
I finally got a chance to clean up the translation of Lameere's key to Rhaphipodus. I can't guarantee that this is perfect, but hopefully it will help. The one phrase in red is one I couldn't clarify - it might be clear with a specimen in hand. I've attached a copy of the file as well - I'm not sure how the one I "copy & pasted" into this message will appear. Let me know what you think...
Cheers!
Bandrow
bb. Head with wide and deep furrow, with at most a spine between the lateral angle and the base of
prothorax.
g. Front barely concave between the eyes, eyes not as close together; elytra granulate.
h. Prothorax narrower; antennae shorter, 1st segment longer than the 3rd and 4th together,
mandibles elongate, sexual dimorphism accentuated, tarsi rather narrow, last article as long as
the others combined. Java, Sumatra, Borneo …………………………………………... R. suturalis
hh. Prothorax wider; antennae longer, 1st segment shorter than the 3rd and 4th together,
mandibles short, tarsi expanded, last article significantly shorter than the others combined.
Sumatra …….……………….…….………………………………………………………….. R. bonni
gg. Prothorax very broad, elytra without granulations, very concave between the eyes that are close
together on top. 1st article of antennae shorter than the 3rd and 4th combined; tarsi slightly
broadened, last article almost equal to others combined. – Borneo …........…………… R. wallacei
aa. Antennae long, with 3rd segment longer than the 1st, head with a narrow furrow, several spines at
angle between the side and base of the prothorax, mandibles relatively short, sexual dimorphism
reduced, the prothorax with sides converging in front, the anterior angles slightly rounded; elytra
grainy, tarsi broad, last article as long as the others combined. - Andaman Islands .. R. andamanicus
AA. Femura spined above; spines on the 1st and 3rd segments of the antennae, anterior angles of the prothorax developed in a rounded ear; tarsi with 1st article elongate.
Subgenus Remphan.
Antennae long, with 3rd segment longer than the 1st, head with a broad and deep furrow, prothorax with
several spines between the lateral angle and base and with sides converging anteriorly, mandibles
relatively short, sexual dimorphism reduced; elytra devoid of granules, tarsi broad with last article long.
Andaman Islands, Siam, Singapore, Borneo …..………………………………………………….. R. hopei
Lameere key to Rhaphipodus.doc (29 KB)
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Post by Joon on Jun 8, 2013 21:04:25 GMT -8
Hi bandrow  Thanks for the awesome work! I would love to use this key to ID my specimen. But I am currently out of the country  I will make sure to use this key later Cheers, Joon |
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Post by bandrow on Jun 9, 2013 9:24:27 GMT -8
Hi Joon,
Keep in mind when you try it that I didn't have actual specimens in hand, so there could be some mis-interpretations. Also, I didn't investigate the current status of the genus, so some species may no longer be valid, and there must certainly be new ones not included. All I can guarantee is that: this is what Lameere said, at the time he said it. 
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