iroki
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Post by iroki on Jun 15, 2013 7:12:58 GMT -8
Hello, could You please check my identyfications and id the rest of butterflies on the photo.  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 15, 2013 8:47:07 GMT -8
Of the 3 unidentified columns the specimens in the right column should probably be isidorus, those in the left column should be anchisiades, and in the middle column they should all be anchisiades except the top two specimens. The top one looks like chiansiades and the next one down is definitely hyppason. It is not possible to be definitive without seeing both sides of each specimen and also the data.
Your hectorides? is probably lamarchei, but again it would be better to see the data and underside as well.
Adam.
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Post by teinopalpus on Jun 15, 2013 9:32:28 GMT -8
Hi,
Adam is correct with everything.
From left, 1st column, from top down : hectorides M, hectorides M, hectorides F form melaina, hecotrides F form melaina, hectorides F, hectorides F
2nd column : hecotrides F, LAMARCHEI M, epenetus M, torguatus M, torguatus/garleppi M - best keymark is on underside
3rd column : all anchisiades - M, M, F, F, M /data needed for determination of ssp. /
4th column : chiansiades M, hyppason M, rest - anchisiades M
5th column : isidorus flavescens M, isidorus flavescens M, rest isidorus M very probably nominate ssp.
Jan
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Post by iroki on Jun 16, 2013 13:04:26 GMT -8
Thank You for the help! I'm impressed won Your butterfly knowleadge. Could You help me with following ones? I do not have collecting data, only the photos and countries/islands.   |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 17, 2013 8:43:26 GMT -8
Country/island information for each specimen would help a lot, especially for subspecies identifications - unless it is just "Indonesia" ;-)
The top right female in the lower picture is P. aegeus (note spelling, not "aegus"). The 2 males below, which you have labelled as gambrisius look too small, they are probably also variations of P. aegeus. P. aegeus males are very variable, the subapical band across the forewing varies from fully developed to almost absent. Some of the specimens in the top photo could also be P. aegeus.
As an approximate guide, P. gambrisius is found on Buru, Ambon and Ceram whereas P. aegeus is found on the islands to the east, New Guinea and eastern Australia. P. aegeus is not found in the North Moluccas or the Solomon Is (where it is replaced by P. tydeus), but aegeus (ssp. oberon) is found on Santa Cruz. This is possibly thought to be derived from introduced ssp. aegeus from Queensland.
In reality it is quite possible that P. gambrisius and aegeus are the same species, and if that is shown to be the case the species would be called gambrisius, and that is the older name. Upcoming DNA analysis may shed light on this issue.
Adam.
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