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Post by davemoore on Jul 25, 2013 0:52:22 GMT -8
I am rearing a batch of Saturnia pyri at the moment from eggs laid from a specimen taken in the Dordogne, France in May this year.
Briefly, she laid 102 eggs and 97 hatched shortly after our return to the UK.
Of those I had the occasional loss and 79 reached final instar, fed on Hawthorn (Crataegus)
We now have 67 cocoons and 7 final instar larvae, all still feeding.
Now while 6 of the caterpillars appear to be almost full grown and I am expecting them to spin up in the next couple of days, there appears to be a runt in the pack. One of them seems to be healthy, still eating well, it just is not getting any bigger. It must be a third the size of the remainder.
My question is, is this normal for an odd individual to take much longer to grow, or may there be some, as yet to manifest, pathogen at work. If so I will remove the offending bug as I don't want any risk to be taken with the remainder of the stock. Already consider myself lucky that so many have got this far as the books I have all state that pyri is a difficult bug to rear, especially in high numbers.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by bobw on Jul 25, 2013 7:24:11 GMT -8
I am rearing a batch of Saturnia pyri at the moment from eggs laid from a specimen taken in the Dordogne, France in May this year. Briefly, she laid 102 eggs and 97 hatched shortly after our return to the UK. Of those I had the occasional loss and 79 reached final instar, fed on Hawthorn (Crataegus) We now have 67 cocoons and 7 final instar larvae, all still feeding. Now while 6 of the caterpillars appear to be almost full grown and I am expecting them to spin up in the next couple of days, there appears to be a runt in the pack. One of them seems to be healthy, still eating well, it just is not getting any bigger. It must be a third the size of the remainder. My question is, is this normal for an odd individual to take much longer to grow, or may there be some, as yet to manifest, pathogen at work. If so I will remove the offending bug as I don't want any risk to be taken with the remainder of the stock. Already consider myself lucky that so many have got this far as the books I have all state that pyri is a difficult bug to rear, especially in high numbers. Any help would be appreciated. I don't know where your books got that from. I reared well over 100 of them a couple of years ago and found them easy (apart from the monstrous amounts of Ash they got through). They could be quite painful when cleaning them out - those spines are nasty! I've had the odd runt in breeding stock of various different species and they rarely seem to do any harm. However if you already have over 70 it would be worth sacrificing the runt - why take the risk? Bob
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Post by davemoore on Jul 26, 2013 3:09:10 GMT -8
On reflection I think you're right. Have removed the offender!! Cheers Dave
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Post by historic on Jul 27, 2013 8:41:33 GMT -8
Hi Dave,
I have had this happen with other species in the past. I have always just reared the runt separately. Sometimes you can end up with a really nice miniature. One time I ended up with an Ornithoptera priamus only a quarter the size of a normal one.
Well worth separating from the rest
C
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Post by carabus54 on Apr 21, 2020 9:00:22 GMT -8
Hi Bob, just wanted to ask a question regarding the Saturnia pyri larvae, i'm told they are best sleeved outside on a Plum or Cherry branch? Is this strictly true or can you keep them indoors too? Alan
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Post by bobw on Apr 21, 2020 11:21:34 GMT -8
I reared them indoors with no problems.
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