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Post by marcingajewski on Mar 4, 2014 15:54:26 GMT -8
Hi All, Do You know maybe collector name who made this labels ? this one is from Nagypal and is realy characteristic . I've buy some Species whith those labesl and I'am interested in story of them . Thanks Marcin Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Mar 4, 2014 22:01:48 GMT -8
Add Ornithoptera collector labels ID to this thread, if Greg see this, he might know.
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Post by bobw on Mar 4, 2014 23:18:10 GMT -8
That looks like Ted Archer's writing to me. I knew him well and he gave me a lot of specimens so I saw it fairly regularly.
Bob
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Post by marcingajewski on Mar 5, 2014 3:02:15 GMT -8
That looks like Ted Archer's writing to me. I knew him well and he gave me a lot of specimens so I saw it fairly regularly. Bob Thank You ! |
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 5, 2014 13:03:40 GMT -8
Bob is correct - it IS Ted Archer's writing. I have a number of Ornithoptera specimens in my collection ex-Archer's collection and they all have these very distinctive labels.
Simon
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Post by marcingajewski on Mar 5, 2014 23:15:16 GMT -8
Bob is correct - it IS Ted Archer's writing. I have a number of Ornithoptera specimens in my collection ex-Archer's collection and they all have these very distinctive labels. Simon Thank You I have also some , not only leg. Archer , also leg.Straatman on those lebele . Marcin |
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Post by bobw on Mar 5, 2014 23:27:45 GMT -8
I have also some , not only leg. Archer , also leg.Straatman on those lebele . Marcin I remember Ted telling me that he got some specimens from Ray so that is highly likely. Bob |
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Post by nomad on Mar 6, 2014 10:24:25 GMT -8
Marcin - you certainly seem to obtain a lot of Ornithoptera rarities and some by well known field workers, such as Straatman - Archer etc. I have heard that the member John - Panzerman sold his collection, which I believe was one of the best ever, he had I believe a series of Straatman bred alexandrae from the 1960's and he had every Ornithoptera subspecies . If he has sold his collection, did you or any members here purchase some of his treasures.  |
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 6, 2014 11:59:36 GMT -8
I have also some , not only leg. Archer , also leg.Straatman on those lebele . Marcin I remember Ted telling me that he got some specimens from Ray so that is highly likely. Bob Hi Marcin, Bob's right - I also have some specimens caught by other collectors which made their way into Ted Archer's collection and, therefore, bear his distinctive labels. For example, I have a pair of Ornithoptera goliath ssp. procus originally caught by Ray Straatman and a lovely pair of Ornithoptera croesus ssp. croesus caught by Ichwan Toeante (after whom croesus ssp. toeantei was named) which came from Ted Archer's collection and bear these labels. Simon |
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 6, 2014 12:10:43 GMT -8
Marcin - you certainly seem to obtain a lot of Ornithoptera rarities and some by well known field workers, such as Straatman - Archer etc. I have heard that the member John - Panzerman sold his collection, which I believe was one of the best ever, he had I believe a series of Straatman bred alexandrae from the 1960's and he had every Ornithoptera subspecies . If he has sold his collection, did you or any members here purchase some of his treasures. Hi Peter, My ex-Archer specimens (actually ex-Straatman and Toeante specimens but from Archer's collection) came from a collector here in the UK. I also have specimens from von Knotgen and Zeuner from the same collector. The Zeuner specimens are those he originally used as part of his studies on veination and have the scales removed from one pair of wings which certainly gives an "unusual" appearance but to me, because of the provenance and history, are as special as any A1 specimen. I'm busy for the next few days but will try and upload some pictures of the specimens as soon as I can. Simon PS - I believe Panzerman John had 2 pairs of alexandrae. I'm not sure if anyone on here bought individual specimens from John but I've seen quite a few of his specimens on sale from a couple of German dealers... |
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Post by nomad on Mar 6, 2014 12:34:44 GMT -8
Hi Simon, it looks as if you have made some interesting Ornithoptera acquisitions. The Zeuner specimens that he used in his venation wing studies are of great historical interest. Recently I saw some Delias specimens in a historical collection that had the scales removed - for study, just amazing. I look forward to seeing your images when time allows  Peter. |
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Post by marcingajewski on Mar 6, 2014 13:19:43 GMT -8
Marcin - you certainly seem to obtain a lot of Ornithoptera rarities and some by well known field workers, such as Straatman - Archer etc. I have heard that the member John - Panzerman sold his collection, which I believe was one of the best ever, he had I believe a series of Straatman bred alexandrae from the 1960's and he had every Ornithoptera subspecies . If he has sold his collection, did you or any members here purchase some of his treasures. Hi Peter, My ex-Archer specimens (actually ex-Straatman and Toeante specimens but from Archer's collection) came from a collector here in the UK. I also have specimens from von Knotgen and Zeuner from the same collector. The Zeuner specimens are those he originally used as part of his studies on veination and have the scales removed from one pair of wings which certainly gives an "unusual" appearance but to me, because of the provenance and history, are as special as any A1 specimen. I'm busy for the next few days but will try and upload some pictures of the specimens as soon as I can. Simon PS - I believe Panzerman John had 2 pairs of alexandrae. I'm not sure if anyone on here bought individual specimens from John but I've seen quite a few of his specimens on sale from a couple of German dealers... Hi Simon , I thank You very much for Your ansver , I wiil see whith plesure spacemants You wrote about . Ps. I will be greatfull to meet collector You Write about  |
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Post by timmsyrj on Mar 12, 2014 11:16:45 GMT -8
Simon, did your specimens come from Mike Howlett by any chance, I know he had some historical specimens in his collection and last I time I saw him he said he was selling off quite a few.
Rich
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 12, 2014 12:06:41 GMT -8
Simon, did your specimens come from Mike Howlett by any chance, I know he had some historical specimens in his collection and last I time I saw him he said he was selling off quite a few. Rich Hi Rich, Yup Simon PS - I hope to get around to taking some pictures this weekend... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -8
So sad that John (panzerman) wont be on here any more, I miss seeing his spectacular collection.
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