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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 13:02:30 GMT -8
can anyone tell me which species of eudicella this is
much appreciated
pete
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Post by depalma on Mar 22, 2014 3:51:32 GMT -8
Hi - This is Eudicella smithii var. allardiana.
However, please note that for Eudicella you generally use (on eBay) an outdated and mostly wrong nomenclature.
Best Regards,
Michele
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 13:05:54 GMT -8
thanks for the ID.
which eudicella do you refer to when i use the wrong outdated and mostly wrong nomenclature?
regards
peter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 16:24:10 GMT -8
hello michele could you help ID this specimen from UGANDA? regards peter Attachments:
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Post by depalma on Mar 22, 2014 16:30:24 GMT -8
Hi Peter - No worries. I believe you use the old Allard's books to identify Eudicella and other Cetoniidae genera. Since the publication of those books, the genus Eudicella and many others have been revised to correct a multitude of "classification errors" introduced by Allard or previous reviewers. The current taxonomy of Eudicella is sharply different from that described in the works of Allard, but it would be too long to list the many changes here. If you need help with some identifications, you can contact me by email.
Best,
Michele
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Post by depalma on Mar 22, 2014 16:35:03 GMT -8
It is Eudicella grallii. If you want, you can add var. ignita because of its colour (so Eudicella grallii var. ignita), although the names for "varieties" have no taxonomic value according to the international code for nomenclature.
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Post by depalma on Mar 22, 2014 17:50:30 GMT -8
PS: Westwood described the name ignita based on an Eudicella grallii specimen from Gold coast (Ghana) in his Arcana (March 1st, 1843; plate 46). The name ignita can be regarded as a colour form, and has no infraspecific value. Allard described the forms of grallii will brilliant colour and black tibiae (as your specimen) as ssp. orientalis, but that name is obviously a junior synonym of integrefasciata Pangella. I do not regard integrefasciata as a valid subspecies of grallii, so for me your specimen is simply Eudicella grallii (var. ignita if you will).
Cheers
Michele
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Post by manticora on Mar 23, 2014 8:02:31 GMT -8
Hello Michele,
I start collecting Cetoniinae about a year ago.
The books from the serie Les Coleopteres du monde i also use.
What books or articles can you advise me to use ?
I found on internet the site Catalogue of Life(http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2012/search/scientific/reset/1)
Do you know this site and is it reliabel?
Harry
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Post by africaone on Mar 23, 2014 10:55:23 GMT -8
De Palma M. & Frantz S. (2011) Identification of Scarabaeus micans Drury and taxonomic notes on Dicronorhina Hope, with description of a new species, Cetoniimania NS 2:5-36 Palma M. de, 2009: Taxonomic revision of Eudicella White (Coleoptera: Cetoniinae) and iconographic catalogue. 32 colour plates, 48 pp. Palma M. de, Frantz S., 2010: Taxonomic revision of Megalorhina Westwood and subgeneric classification of Mecynorhina Hope (Coleoptera: Scarabaeidae: Cetoniinae). 16 colour plates + 80 pp. a good start for the new wave on Goliathini  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -8
thanks for the info africaone. I know there was a big debate on here regarding the spelling of mecynorrhina having just the one "R" or two. The updates will and revisions will be nice to learn,
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peter
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Post by depalma on Mar 23, 2014 11:57:33 GMT -8
Dear Thierry,
Thank you. I was too shy to suggest my own revision books and articles!
Peter, you can obtain the Eudicella and Megalorhina revisions from the publisher, Natura Edizioni Scientifiche (I have no royalties on those).
Cheers,
Michele
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Post by depalma on Mar 23, 2014 12:04:44 GMT -8
Hi Peter. No, there is no debate. Dicronorhina, Mecynorhina and Megalorhina were all described by the original authors with only one "r", so there is nothing to argue about that: it is with one "r" and not two! The problem is that nobody cares of the rules of nomenclature in taxonomy…
Regardless of nomenclature, your insects are always beautiful!
Cheers,
Miki
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Post by africaone on Mar 23, 2014 13:34:06 GMT -8
Thank you. I was too shy to suggest my own revision books and articles! .... ciao Michele  and more , it is a pleasure to suggest good papers ! |
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Post by manticora on Mar 24, 2014 9:21:02 GMT -8
Thierry and Michele,
Thanks for the information.
I order the books as soon as possible.
Michele i didn't now you write this books/ publications.
Don't be shy!
Greetings,
Harry
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Post by africanentomology on Mar 24, 2014 11:19:31 GMT -8
Don't forget that for MANY entomologists subspecies of Eudicella are correct and true !! For example I have many specimens of Eudicella gralli from Kinshasa and many from Kolwezi and it's clear that they are different : Eudicella gralli gralli (Kinshasa) Eudicella gralli poggei (Kolwezi). Also they are others subspecies.... Philippe
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and more , it is a pleasure to suggest good papers !