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Post by jaume on Jul 18, 2014 13:36:10 GMT -8
Very rarely seen and extremely rare in collections. Female papilio alexiares alexiares from central Mexico. JAUME  |
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Post by nomad on Jul 18, 2014 21:50:07 GMT -8
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Post by exoticimports on Jul 23, 2014 7:49:14 GMT -8
I'm still stuck at glaucus and rutulus, over the years it seems that we now have dozens of glaucus-type species, is there a concise coverage of the recognized species?
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Post by jaume on Jul 23, 2014 13:54:54 GMT -8
Well, alexiares alexiares was described in 1866, so it's an "old" species. Later in 1906 it was described the ssp.garcia from northern Mexico. I have seen classified in the past ssp.alexiares, ssp.garcia, ssp.rutulus.... as ssp of papilio glaucus. I think this doesn't have any sense.
It's true that these ssp are similar, but if you put them side by side you will see inmediately that all are different. Similar, but different. For example, ssp garcia doesn't have the yellow form in the female (at least for what I know), the females are always black and on the contrary, in ssp alexiares, the female is always yellow.
Ssp.garcia is, let's say, more common, but the nominate ssp is really difficult to see in collections, specially the female. Mostly of the specimens known are old specimens and for my knowledge collected during the 60's and 70's.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 23, 2014 22:43:17 GMT -8
I'm still stuck at glaucus and rutulus, over the years it seems that we now have dozens of glaucus-type species, is there a concise coverage of the recognized species? There are not quite 'dozens' of Papilio glaucus group species, but actually 7: multicaudata Kirby, 1884 eurymedon Lucas, 1852 rutulus Lucas, 1852 alexiares Höpffer, 1866 appalachiensis (Pavulaan & Wright, 2002) canadensis Rothschild & Jordan, 1906 glaucus Linnaeus, 1758 Adam. |
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Post by exoticimports on Jul 24, 2014 8:54:46 GMT -8
As always, thanks Adam, and Jaume, thanks for the interesting correction.
When appalachiensis was recognized it clarified the difference in my Atlantic specimens.
Are there ssp or rutulus? My southern Arizona specimens are markedly different than others.
Wasn't there some hoopla over the eastern canadiensis being two different species species? IIRC it was based on genetics and foodplant.
Chuck
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Post by papilio28570 on Sept 23, 2014 1:18:38 GMT -8
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