Beware of Vinicio Salami of Italy

Usually I don't like to join such unpleasant quarrels, but I know Vinicio very well, and I can confirm that he is not such kind of man like you, Politula, want to describe. Even if you say that you "chose your word very carefully", and even if I do not understand perfectly English, I read the title of the topic "Beware of Vinicio Salami of Italy" that says all and everything.
You say that all is fully documented in your email exchanges, and I believe you. But have you a fully documented proof that you sent a parcel to him? And more: have you a fully documented proof that your parcel was delivered? This is critical, I think.
Try to reverse the situation: would you like to reciprocate a parcel never received?

Both of you are honest entomologists.
So the parcel which was not registered has been lost/stolen by one post service.
It can happen.

So find a solution together without ruining your both reputation on the web.
As there are many crooks around us, we tend often to accuse the other entomologist when it is only a post office issue.

"Pace"

I’ve been trading insect specimens for over 25 years and have exchanged with many collectors in countries around the world. In the vast majority of cases, both parties ship at the same time. Obviously, if everyone waited for the other to go first nothing would ever be exchanged.

Traders take big risks. A collector is sending specimens, which are usually worth several hundred dollars, to a person they know nothing about. Unfortunately there are dishonest traders, when someone fails to follow through it is natural to assume the worst. The fact is, you made no mention of a delay in shipping. When you finally indicated this, my package had already been sent.

Over the years I have shipped hundreds of packages and only twice did they not arrive. In the other case the collector was having problems with theft, I took his word for it, and sent him a package again. I have received many damaged specimens, poor or missing data and misidentified specimens. Most of the time I do not complain. If there are any concerns at all about the specimens I have sent, I replace them. I have a perfect record for this reason. You can call me a liar if you like, it will not affect me or my trading. You forget, when you mention certain Italian collectors who will stand up for you, they will also stand up for me.

Typically I do not get tracking on my packages. I trust that most collectors are honest and I have had few problems. Being a very active collector, I generally have large numbers of insects available for trade. It is not a large concern if a few get lost. Honestly, I don’t like giving the post office more money than they are already getting for bad service.

Perhaps it is an error but the translations I am getting for your messages make it sound like you are still being condescending. I have stated the facts, from my perspective. I have not called you names or taken this outside of the trade reports. You should understand that you have more to lose from this situation than I. If you try to get a reaction from me, rest assured you will get it.

I hope you are right. Once I send a package to Italy in an empty syringe box. It was tied up in customs for 6 months but was eventually sent to the collector.

Unfortunately most of us here don't read Italian. I suggest writing your replies into an online translation website and then copying & pasting the translation in your reply, thank you.

Adam.

All these public spats are damaging the site (again).

Has anyone not noticed that all of the old contributors to the site have either left or never post, how the quality of material being posted has dropped off or when posted is never commented on, 4 or 5 years ago this was the best insect site around, the knowledge imparted was useful to all, people were in the main civil to each other and the material shown was nothing short of staggering. I can think of dozens of people that were the mainstays of posts that have gone and I will be joining them, since the Greek hurricane came along it is just one argument after another, this hobby used to be full of gentlemen, where have they all gone.

duncan > you should not leave the forum. If all gentlemen leave, it will be a useless forum.
I agree that the admin should close such topics when they do not end in any positive way.

And I advise people who don't want to see people arguing to not read the Insect Trading Report topics. It is a useful section for buyers but of course some small "fight" like this one can happen from time to time

If the 4 persons who are currently arguing on this forum could do it in private mail, it will be more pleasant for all of us.