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Post by aesacus on Feb 22, 2015 13:10:01 GMT -8
I have a problem with distinguishing those two species: Parides anchises drucei and Parides vertumnus bogotanus Speciemens from Peru, Iquitos. 1  2  3  4  5  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 23, 2015 1:14:22 GMT -8
Number 3 is Parides vertumnus bogotanus, all the others are Parides anchises drucei. Note particularly the palpi which are red in Parides vertumnus bogotanus and black in Parides anchises drucei, and the upperside red hindwing patch in Parides anchises drucei is distinctly split by black veins.
Thank you for posting clear photos of both sides, which distinctly helps with identification.
Adam.
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Post by aesacus on Feb 23, 2015 3:33:00 GMT -8
Thank you so much for help.
So there's a mistake in Swallowtail Butterflies of the Americas key, because vertumnus and anchises can have black or red palps which I found strange.
Krzysztof
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 23, 2015 5:45:26 GMT -8
At species level, yes they can, but not in the case of females of these subspecies. It is also worth bearing in mind that the key in Tyler et al. (1994) is mainly based on old keys, and there are bound to be some errors. Some of these Parides are very difficult to identify, and I always check the literature carefully first, including Tyler et al. (1994) and the Racheli & Moehn Parides volumes in the Butterflies of the World (Bauer & Frankenbach) series. Contrary to popular belief not everything sits inside my head waiting to emerge here, and I always like to check as much as possible before posting.  Adam. |
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Post by cabintom on Feb 23, 2015 6:06:31 GMT -8
Contrary to popular belief not everything sits inside my head waiting to emerge here Adam. You know, I think I was beginning to believe this...  Tom |
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Post by eurytides on Feb 23, 2015 7:47:11 GMT -8
At species level, yes they can, but not in the case of females of these subspecies. It is also worth bearing in mind that the key in Tyler et al. (1994) is mainly based on old keys, and there are bound to be some errors. Some of these Parides are very difficult to identify, and I always check the literature carefully first, including Tyler et al. (1994) and the Racheli & Moehn Parides volumes in the Butterflies of the World (Bauer & Frankenbach) series. Contrary to popular belief not everything sits inside my head waiting to emerge here, and I always like to check as much as possible before posting. Adam. He's being modest. All the information is always there. Adam can even answer questions whilst asleep. |
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 23, 2015 11:56:12 GMT -8
"Adam can even answer questions whilst asleep." I wouldn't know!! but he's probably forgot more about papilio than most of us will ever know.
Rich
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Post by eurytides on Feb 23, 2015 15:25:56 GMT -8
I've told him this already, but he needs to write a book on Papilionidae.
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 24, 2015 1:01:21 GMT -8
with everything else he's got going on, collaborating with others, all his breeding experiments and guiding all of us down the correct path I thinks he's too busy to do a book just yet.
It should be a good one though when he does get around to it.
Rich
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 24, 2015 7:26:01 GMT -8
Hopefully, eventually it will happen. Meanwhile, thanks for your confidence in my ability.
Adam.
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