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Post by alsun on May 5, 2015 0:56:43 GMT -8
Has anyone had to deal with JEAN-CLAUDE NGONGA from Central African Republic?
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Post by africaone on May 5, 2015 10:42:39 GMT -8
I had contact with him two times in the past 2008 and 2011 without finalising deals (his stuff is too classic and he proposed the same list as the late R. P. Godart (foyer de la charité Bangui)
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Post by alsun on May 13, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -8
And so it happened.
He offered me a payment after receiving the parcel. I offer arranged . I made the order and he has disappeared and does not communicate.
It's all very strange
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 13, 2015 11:56:54 GMT -8
Maybe it's a ploy to get you to pay at least some cash up front.
1. He offers specimens, payment on receipt
2. You place an order
3. He goes quiet on you
4. You get impatient with the silence and volunteer to send partial payment
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5. He agrees
6. You send payment
7. He disappears again
8. No specimens ever arrive
Conclusion
DON'T SEND MONEY
Adam.
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Post by africaone on May 13, 2015 12:21:32 GMT -8
be careful with our occidental logic .... internet doesn't work all the time in Africa. In congo you can be 2-3 days without internet. + the fact that usually they don't have internet at home
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 13, 2015 12:26:42 GMT -8
Indeed, but my post was just a possible scenario rather than a definitive explanation.
Regardless of the real reason, for safety just don't send them any money in advance.
Adam.
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alsun
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Post by alsun on May 13, 2015 20:39:34 GMT -8
Thank You, Adam. With people from Africa I do not send money in advance. And yet not once received a package in advance  . Ha-ha-ha |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 14, 2015 8:02:17 GMT -8
There are some local sellers who will send parcels in advance, but most of them only deal wholesale with a select few 'western' dealers and won't sell direct to collectors.
If you want to buy African material without any risk, I guess the only choice is to pay the premium and buy from 'western' dealers.
Adam.
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Post by queenbug on May 16, 2015 23:26:20 GMT -8
Have had several dealings with him since March 2013. All successful however you have to bear in mind his English is not very good so i google translate it to French then send the email - seems to work okay. Yes he has an extensive list - nothing too exciting. So you give him your wish list and just wait. Sometimes you wait so long you forget about it then you get an email sayings it's been sent. No invoice no packing slip to say whats in the package. It arrives very tightly packed with stock you have to work out yourself. Be prepared to order - get some things you want and some surprises. I always pay WUnion only after i've checked the stock. He seems to be very nice and we get along well. This is not a guarantee for anyone - just my experience with this supplier.
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Post by vabrou on Jul 5, 2015 6:58:16 GMT -8
On occasion, I have received good material from African locations. My rule, I receive the specimens here first, no money for any reason sent in advance, and the specimens must be reasonable quality, no broken antennae, no broken trash, all specimens must have locality and dates of capture. I have engaged these same well known scammers who have many aliases as well, and they all know each other and are part of the same scammer groups even across many African countries. Some of these individuals are trained in scammer schools as they scam as well collectors of other animals, mammals, reptiles, fish, etc.
The bottom line, I have a reputation of over 50 years time span; these clowns in Africa have no reputations other than being scammers. Do not ever send money in advance no matter what reason they give you. Remember a sucker is born every minute. If you get cheated by these scammers, then you are one of these 'suckers, born every minute' Remember a good deal is not a deal, if you never actually receive that 'good deal".
The customer is always in the driver's seat. My rule is, what I stated here already, and my promise to post payment to the supplier within 24 hours of my receiving the material in good order on my end.
Consider, almost always, these people are not collectors of insects, they have one goal, that is to sell or promise to sell something to you for your money, nothing else. YOUR MONEY. If they don't agree to my rules, then go away, don't bother me anymore. Simple as that.
And what is the chance of someone with the last name of NGONGA, having a real first name of JEAN-CLAUDE ? Chances this is a fake name, obviously extremely high.
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Post by cabintom on Jul 5, 2015 11:08:38 GMT -8
And what is the chance of someone with the last name of NGONGA, having a real first name of JEAN-CLAUDE ? Chances this is a fake name, obviously extremely high. Actually, I know quite a number of Africans from French Africa, who have a French name... In fact, almost all of them do. This comment alone, colours your assessment in a way which makes me quite uncomfortable, especially since it doesn't seem as though you've had any personal dealings with the individual in question. |
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Post by africaone on Jul 5, 2015 22:18:44 GMT -8
And what is the chance of someone with the last name of NGONGA, having a real first name of JEAN-CLAUDE ? Chances this is a fake name, obviously extremely high. Actually, I know quite a number of Africans from French Africa, who have a French name... In fact, almost all of them do. This comment alone, colours your assessment in a way which makes me quite uncomfortable, especially since it doesn't seem as though you've had any personal dealings with the individual in question. you are right Tom. seems strange to judge via the name  |
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Post by wollastoni on Jul 6, 2015 2:33:18 GMT -8
vabrou < they are hundreds of real Jean-Claude Ngonga in "French" Africa and in France too.
The new star of French soccer team is named Paul-George Ntep just to give you an example.
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Post by alsun on Jul 24, 2015 4:48:34 GMT -8
The story:
this man wrote to me in early June that sent me a parcel may 26. Well. I asked him to send me the zip code of the parcel, to track the path of the parcel on the Internet. He has no idea what is the zip code. Sent me four digits. I told him that this is wrong code , send me a real one.Not sends. He sends letters every week and asked about that - got I a package ? I even asked several times in post office about the parcel. But my name is nothing parcels, and without a zip code is impossible to understand anything. I asked him to send a photo of the check on the parcel with zip code. Not sends.
Today he sent me a letter, which said that the other recipients received their packages( not naming any name) and I'm a liar.
How about this? We'll see what happens.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 24, 2015 10:24:10 GMT -8
Ask him for a tracking number for the package. A 'zip code' is a US post code to identify the location of your address. I am not surprised that he doesn't know the meaning of what you asked him for. Mind you there's a good chance that he never posted anything.
Adam.
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