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Post by mothman27 on Nov 30, 2015 13:22:49 GMT -8
Do you think 15 Euros is overpriced for 1 cocoon of Actias isabellae?
Are they that hard to get?
Thanks,
Tim
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 30, 2015 13:40:21 GMT -8
They are a very local species and therefore the price is higher. I would find 10€ reasonable. Just a word of advice, not that I would really care, they are protected through European law, and due to the Lacey act they will be illegal in the US too. I also wonder how you would feed them anyway as they only feed on European pines.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 30, 2015 15:12:30 GMT -8
They are a very local species and therefore the price is higher. I would find 10€ reasonable. Just a word of advice, not that I would really care, they are protected through European law, and due to the Lacey act they will be illegal in the US too. I also wonder how you would feed them anyway as they only feed on European pines. Are you saying it is illegal for me to buy their cocoons? Also do you know exactly which pine species they feed on? Tim |
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 30, 2015 22:32:12 GMT -8
They feed on Pinus sylvestris mainly. You could have seen this in an instant by googling. Better inform yourself before tossing big money out of the window. Unless you just want the specimen, I once did this with Actias dubernardi. At some point in time they could be bought for 6€ a cocoon, but I think they main breeding stock is slowly dying out and people are getting bored by them, haven't seen them in a while.
Yes, through these laws it would be illegal for you to buy them. It's a bit hypocritical of me telling anybody about wildlife protection laws, but I felt it was necessary. Otherwise I just tell you the price and you think everything is alright. Know what you are doing. They are on annex III of the Bern convention as a protected species. The Bern convention itself is not a law and needs a law on national level. It could be that if they are from Switzerland that they are fine and legal to own. I am not exactly sure on that one. They occur in Spain, France, and Switzerland.
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Post by bobw on Nov 30, 2015 23:42:11 GMT -8
I have reared them many times on Pinus sylvestris; I have heard that they will take any pine which has needles in pairs but not those where the needles come in clusters of 3 or more, I believe this rules out most American pines.
I believe that they are protected in Spain and France but not in Switzerland so Swiss stock is fine to have but not from anywhere else.
Bob
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Post by africaone on Nov 30, 2015 23:42:21 GMT -8
this species is locally very common, and in expansion. It seems that his distribution grows each yaers.
It is a protected species but it is largely for sale and used for crossing experiment with other Actias.
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Post by mothman27 on Dec 1, 2015 4:05:27 GMT -8
Thanks,
I'm new to insect collecting. I knew they were being conserved but didn't know the buying/selling restrictions.
Thanks for your time,
Tim
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Post by miguel on Dec 1, 2015 6:38:54 GMT -8
Graellsia isabelae also eats Pinus nigra.
In varios parts of Spain It's no strange to see them in the lights of the small towns surrounded by Pinaceas.
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Post by joee30 on Dec 1, 2015 19:40:43 GMT -8
Miguel, has criado esta linda polilla antes? Me imagino que son espectaculares en Vida.
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Post by mothman27 on Dec 2, 2015 12:51:10 GMT -8
Can all Actias species interbreed?
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Post by nomihoudai on Dec 2, 2015 23:54:18 GMT -8
No, just some. Actias isabellae does interbreed with some of them. As this species has these nice stripes along the veins it always makes for beautiful hybrids. Thanks for clarifying the point of the population in Switzerland, so they are not protected. Also about the range expansion, yes they do expand in range, but many of them are also released by humans. They have now been found in Italy and Germany, no way that the species has been overlooked for that long in these areas. Somebody must have released them there.
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Post by miguel on Dec 3, 2015 6:20:15 GMT -8
Joe,I usually go to my hometown in April-may and I always see Graellsia, beautiful moth (for me the most beautiful of Europe),last one that I saw was trying to scape from a bat(and she did it),but some many times I see moths smashed by cars.
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