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Post by jhyatt on Feb 25, 2016 6:13:44 GMT -8
Timmsyrj, Very nice drawers! Nice to see someone else who likes to keep a good series of things.
I see you arrange your specimen series from the bottom of the drawer up, leaving space above the series where necessary. I do the opposite - I fill from the top down. Never thought of doing it your way, but it makes sense - don't have to pull the drawer all the way out every time to see all of a series. I'll give it a thought, but probably won't rearrange mine - I'd break something for sure by the time I was done!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 25, 2016 9:00:53 GMT -8
"I see you arrange your specimen series from the bottom of the drawer up"
I do the same, as I got tired of pulling a draw almost all the way out before seeing the rare specimen right at the top. Nowadays I can just open the draw a few inches and I can see what's inside.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 10:50:53 GMT -8
Interesting way of specimen arrangement indeed......maybe I'll give it a try.
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 25, 2016 11:53:29 GMT -8
Yes I used to arrange them the other way, top down, but like Adam, I got tired of having to pull the drawers all the way out to view them, also I prefer to have the hindwings of the specimens over the forewings of the one below as I find most Papilionidae have most of their colour on the hindwings rather than forewings, it also shows off the tails.
You'll also notice I tend to fill from bottom left first ( don't know why ), and I leave space for future additions, or where I know I already have enough papered stock to fill a complete drawer as in the rumanzovia and ascalaphus drawers.
I do like a good series, especially commoner species as variation can be great, I have I think 9 boxes of memnon with possibly 80-100 specimens still to set, a lot are from Philippines farms, cremata, lowi and hybrids and quite a few heronus, the later i've had papered for quite some time they came from an importer of pupae for butterfly houses many years ago and those that emerged before being sold he pinched and papered, I got them at a very good price but lack of space has prevented me setting them all, so far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 21:38:37 GMT -8
Rich, the first drawer I'm going to try it with is a Catocala drawer. You said Papilios HWs are more colorful which they are. So....I'm thinking the same with the Cats  . Maybe I'll post a pic of such. My problem in the matter is that I do my moths more or less horizontally so this will cause a shift in my thinking. I'm not yet too old, however, to try something new. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 26, 2016 0:50:16 GMT -8
This is where I differ from Rich, I shingle with the forewings of the specimen below covering the hindwings of the one above. I must admit that Rich's method does enable you to see the specimens more easily, but it looks rather strange to my eyes.
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 26, 2016 12:44:05 GMT -8
I have seen a few collections arranged horizontally, this way you get to see fore and hindwings of the same side, I notice the Delias guys space them out to see the whole specimen, this would be the ideal for all collections but my collection room is pretty full and I would need around 3x the number of drawers and boxes, it's just not practicle.
As I arrange them forewings under hindwings going from the top down means I'll need to be very careful when placing the specimen in forewings first, my way you just add it to the top of the column with ease.
Rare, scarce or abberant specimens do get there own bit of space, like the 3 Papilio mayo males, the bottom 2 are very old, I got in an auction lot labelled 1901, sadly this was the only data in the whole box, which also included 2 rhodifer males and 6 woodfordi specimens plus a few others, some quite damaged by pests. I think the colour variation on those is down to age/storage conditions.
Rich
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 16:53:05 GMT -8
Ok, here is a side by side of my horizontal and Rich's vertical. I will say that I had to really watch the antennae of the below specimen very carefully. Mine at left......Rich's at right   My take.....looks nice, but I lost some room and the FWs are minimal whereas horizontal gives the left side a view of both FW and HW. I'm going to sit on it for a while and not jump into redoing the collection. I did enjoy the exploration of trying something new. Just not sure yet on which one to go with. What do you all think? I used the same species for each so as to compare apples to apples. |
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Post by bobw on Feb 27, 2016 1:35:34 GMT -8
Personally I hate tiling, I like to be able to see the whole specimen, but I can understand why people do it as cabinet space is highly space and cash consuming.
However, if you have to do it I think Bill's horizontal tiling looks better than the vertical tiling, the vertical one looks a bit of a mess.
Bob
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Post by Paul K on Feb 27, 2016 5:37:31 GMT -8
Personally I hate tiling, I like to be able to see the whole specimen, but I can understand why people do it as cabinet space is highly space and cash consuming. However, if you have to do it I think Bill's horizontal tiling looks better than the vertical tiling, the vertical one looks a bit of a mess. Bob I fully agreed with Bob . Shingling of specimen is a good alternative for storage but not show/display. |
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 27, 2016 10:51:07 GMT -8
Yes I totally agree, none of mine are display drawers, all are for storage so the more I can get in with ease the better, I just prefer to see the colours of say rumanzovia and memnon hindwings rather than a completely black drawer of forewings.
I have to say Bill, I prefer the one on the right, obviously!!
The only trouble I see for your cats though is unlike Papilio the abdomen is longer than the hindwings, therefore it's harder to get the overlap without the abdomen damaging the antennae .
Each to there own, if we all did the same we'd have no debate..
Rich
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 20:12:09 GMT -8
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Post by Boghaunter on Feb 29, 2016 9:01:30 GMT -8
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Post by Boghaunter on Feb 29, 2016 9:02:12 GMT -8
Do you have any more NA Hyalophora to show ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 11:12:13 GMT -8
Thanks Boghaunter ......just H. cecropia. The verso female is a pig at 164mm.  |
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