Post by Bugman on Dec 13, 2015 16:14:54 GMT -8
Hey guys,
I have a few questions concerning the differentiation of some subspecies and identification in general. I hope you can help me out here
1.
How do I distinguish smaller males of Odontolabis femoralis waterstradti and O.f.femoralis?
I have one telodont waterstradti and femoralis with collecting data. But I had amphiodont living Odontolabis femoralis which were said to be from Borneo, thus waterstradti. But I don't really believe that the collecting data was correct. To me they rather looked like femoralis femoralis, because there was no red on the head and there were only two yellow spots on the ventral side, which seems to be typical for femoralis femoralis. The undoubtful waterstradti has the yellow/orange also on the abdomen. What do you think? Was the collection data wrong and they are not waterstradti?
2.
How do I distinguish Prosopocoilus occiptalis anoa from P.o.anoella? Since they are both from Sulawesi the collection data cannot clarify it I guess but I do not see striking differences in the two subspecies.
3.
Are the subspecies of Odontolabis stevensi valid? I have no doubt for O.s.duivenbodei but what about limbata, mamasaensis and yasusukei? O.s.stevensi seems to have males which are completely black but also individuals with orange on the outer sides of the elytra. Some with a constant orange line, some with an interuppted line or just a thin and short stripe. It seems the subspecies always have the orange on their elytra but when I compare pictures of the subspecies with several phenotypes of O.s.stevensi it looks like the subspecies are just the above mentioned variations of O.s.stevensi.
So I just got this one labeled as O.s.mamasaensis. What do you say? Are the subspecies valid or just synonyms to stevensi stevensi?
4.
I bought this Lucanus here labeled as Lucanus parryi but to me it rather looks like a small male of Lucanus laetus.
So what species is it actually?
I have a few questions concerning the differentiation of some subspecies and identification in general. I hope you can help me out here
1.
How do I distinguish smaller males of Odontolabis femoralis waterstradti and O.f.femoralis?
I have one telodont waterstradti and femoralis with collecting data. But I had amphiodont living Odontolabis femoralis which were said to be from Borneo, thus waterstradti. But I don't really believe that the collecting data was correct. To me they rather looked like femoralis femoralis, because there was no red on the head and there were only two yellow spots on the ventral side, which seems to be typical for femoralis femoralis. The undoubtful waterstradti has the yellow/orange also on the abdomen. What do you think? Was the collection data wrong and they are not waterstradti?
2.
How do I distinguish Prosopocoilus occiptalis anoa from P.o.anoella? Since they are both from Sulawesi the collection data cannot clarify it I guess but I do not see striking differences in the two subspecies.
3.
Are the subspecies of Odontolabis stevensi valid? I have no doubt for O.s.duivenbodei but what about limbata, mamasaensis and yasusukei? O.s.stevensi seems to have males which are completely black but also individuals with orange on the outer sides of the elytra. Some with a constant orange line, some with an interuppted line or just a thin and short stripe. It seems the subspecies always have the orange on their elytra but when I compare pictures of the subspecies with several phenotypes of O.s.stevensi it looks like the subspecies are just the above mentioned variations of O.s.stevensi.
So I just got this one labeled as O.s.mamasaensis. What do you say? Are the subspecies valid or just synonyms to stevensi stevensi?
4.
I bought this Lucanus here labeled as Lucanus parryi but to me it rather looks like a small male of Lucanus laetus.
So what species is it actually?
