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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 6:38:44 GMT -8
Hello everyone. I have a few questions regarding specimens' labels and how to properly write some info on these.
I want to summarize the info regarding origin: not the geo-location info from the collected specimens but the "originator".
Would you please confirm/correct:
The terms 'Leg.' (legit) and 'Col.' followed by a name (XY Abcdef) are being used to acknowledge the person who captured the specimen.
In some case, this 'Leg.' info may be unavailable for a few specimens. Yet I know where I purchased these from. Thus, it seems logical to summarize this information by the term 'Ex. Coll.' (Extra Collectionem) or 'Ex Coll.' (Ex Collectionem) followed by the previous owner's name (XY Abcdef).
How does that sound? Thank you for the input.
Emmanuel
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 2, 2016 6:48:08 GMT -8
Sounds ok, altough I must say that even after seeing thousands of labels I barely ever came across 'col.', the use of 'leg.' is very widespread and if I did see 'col.' or 'coll.' it was used to reference to ones own collection.
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 7:00:24 GMT -8
Thank you for the quick review Claude.
I appreciate very much.
Emmanuel
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Post by Paul K on Feb 2, 2016 8:35:26 GMT -8
I just read article what should be included on professional scientific label for insects and including the word: leg or coll or col. is just a waist of space . It is important to include full first and last name and every one knows that this is the collector's name. The same if you would wright butterfly before the species name. Here is useful link entmuseum.ucr.edu/specimen_preparation/index.html Paul |
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 9:04:07 GMT -8
I just read article what should be included on professional scientific label for insects and including the word: leg or coll or col. is just a waist of space . It is important to include full first and last name and every one knows that this is the collectors name. The same if you would wright butterfly before the species name. Here is useful link entmuseum.ucr.edu/specimen_preparation/index.html Paul Paul, thanks a lot. I actually had a look at this page earlier. I was fortunate enough to learn LATIN back in my youngster days... I was just fine with the use of 'leg.'  And since I also hand-write my labels... I am SUPER old fashioned  Emmanuel PS: I also have a second label with "ORDER/GENUS". |
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Post by leptraps on Feb 2, 2016 9:11:28 GMT -8
The abbreviation Leg. mean Latin and means Collected By.
The correct method of labeling specimens:
Country
State
County
Specific location
Collectors name
Date
Or
USA
Kentucky
Scott County
Elkhorn Creek Nature Presv.
Leg. L.C. Koehn
22 May 2015
That is the correct method. At least in the USS.
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 10:39:32 GMT -8
Good afternoon Leroy.
Thank you for the whole format template.
I do appreciate.
Emmanuel
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 2, 2016 13:21:55 GMT -8
I just read article what should be included on professional scientific label for insects and including the word: leg or coll or col. is just a waist of space . It is important to include full first and last name and every one knows that this is the collector's name. Hmm not really, yes these two informations are of all the things you can put on a label the least important or interesting ones, but still. There is a difference between both of them, I can collect a specimen and put it in my collection, or I can buy a specimen from wherever and put it into my collection. I can pay a lot of attention on my sources on where to buy, or I can just buy random junk that nobody will ever know how trustworthy it is or not. Going through museum collections it has happened every now and then that a super eager collector was able to collect species at places nobody has ever found them, faking these finds. In that case it is always handy to see right away which collection specimens came from, so you can put them aside. It is always interesting to link specimens to collectors, as you can trace their path. I am very active in the digitisation efforts that are ongoing since a few years, I even won a prize for my efforts at the last SEL congress. I can tell you, I really like these little identifier (tag) words in front of fields as they really enable anybody to read and understand a label, they make life so much easier. In case you haven't seen, it's the link in my signature. |
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Post by leptraps on Feb 2, 2016 14:13:04 GMT -8
The abbreviation Leg. mean Latin and means Collected By. The correct method of labeling specimens: Country State County Specific location Collectors name Date Or USA Kentucky Scott County Elkhorn Creek Nature Presv. Leg. L.C. Koehn 22 May 2015 That is the correct method. At least in the USS. Let me add some additional information. USA Kentucky Scott County Elkhorn Creek Nature Prev. GPS W38°.2032' N101°.5663' ALT: 1764' Leg. Leroy C. Koehn 22 May 2015 The identification Label should read as follow. Colias eurytheme Male Sign. 3466 DET. Leroy C. Koehn (There is no male sign on this keyboard). 3466 is The MONA check list number. DET. Is individual who determine the identication of the Specimen. Some use the name of the individual who described the species along with the year. The more information on the label the more value you add to the Specimen. Should I rear the specimen, I include whether I reared them from ova or from larva that I may find. The name of the larval host plant. The date it enclosed to a pupa and the date it emerged. Colias eurytheme. Male Sign Ex ova on Trifolium prantenes Eclosed 22 May 2015 Emerged 1 June 2015 You can include diapause in formation, every piece of information increases the value of the Specimen. Under the Specimen I place the final larva skin and the empty pupal case. You never know who will use your specimen and the attached information on the labels long after you are gone. |
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 17:50:02 GMT -8
Thanks again Leroy.
I will likely be using the 'Det.' on some labels as well.
Emmanuel
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Post by Paul K on Feb 2, 2016 18:39:09 GMT -8
I just read article what should be included on professional scientific label for insects and including the word: leg or coll or col. is just a waist of space . It is important to include full first and last name and every one knows that this is the collector's name. Hmm not really, yes these two informations are of all the things you can put on a label the least important or interesting ones, but still. There is a difference between both of them, I can collect a specimen and put it in my collection, or I can buy a specimen from wherever and put it into my collection. I can pay a lot of attention on my sources on where to buy, or I can just buy random junk that nobody will ever know how trustworthy it is or not. Going through museum collections it has happened every now and then that a super eager collector was able to collect species at places nobody has ever found them, faking these finds. In that case it is always handy to see right away which collection specimens came from, so you can put them aside. It is always interesting to link specimens to collectors, as you can trace their path. I am very active in the digitisation efforts that are ongoing since a few years, I even won a prize for my efforts at the last SEL congress. I can tell you, I really like these little identifier (tag) words in front of fields as they really enable anybody to read and understand a label, they make life so much easier. In case you haven't seen, it's the link in my signature. I thought the label should say who actually collect the specimen in the field , not really who is holding it at the moment. You are right , if one buys the specimen him name shouldn't be on the label or it should say collection of Mr.Smith and I think this information should be on the separate label as the option for historical purpose not scientific .Then in 100 years it will be clear. Also I tried to translate word : legit from Latin and it only came out as "read". I doubt that in far future anyone will know what "leg." is stands for. In my case I was only guessing that it must be collector mr. Smith. But at the end it is up to individual what to include or not on the label. for sure more information is better then less its just so limited space |
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Post by ornithorchid on Feb 2, 2016 19:46:38 GMT -8
Paulk,
Latin is like any other language... Translation depends on context and what is surrounding each specific word. Damm it: I recall our 2h exams where we had to translate 2pages of latin text.
So if you read 'legit Paul' you should understand 'cropped/picked up/collected by Paul'.
Now regarding what will be the devenir of LATIN in 100s of years (or any other language)... God knows. But to give a few examples Classical Music is still hanging there, and so does Opera.
Again, thank you for all the great comments. Input was very useful.
Emmanuel
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Post by Paul K on Feb 2, 2016 21:07:02 GMT -8
Paulk, Latin is like any other language... Translation depends on context and what is surrounding each specific word. Damm it: I recall our 2h exams where we had to translate 2pages of latin text. So if you read 'legit Paul' you should understand 'cropped/picked up/collected by Paul'. Now regarding what will be the devenir of LATIN in 100s of years (or any other language)... God knows. But to give a few examples Classical Music is still hanging there, and so does Opera. Again, thank you for all the great comments. Input was very useful. Emmanuel Thanks Emmanuel for explanation of that word. Indeed when you translate words many times they don't make to much sense or mean something different in different sentences . Unless you study language you wouldn't know. Paul |
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 3, 2016 0:53:34 GMT -8
I thought the label should say who actually collect the specimen in the field , not really who is holding it at the moment. Just to give an example, if a specimen comes out of an Ex. Coll. Luktanov I am far more certain that the ID makes sense than any other collection! should be on the separate label Oh no, don't get me started on separate labels. Please, if possible never use separate labels, it is just a mess in any digitization effort as the other labels are never, or not as readable without handling the specimen. I tell you that, hopefully, in 20 years nobody is going to handle specimens by hand anymore! Also I tried to translate word : legit from Latin and it only came out as "read". I doubt that in far future anyone will know what "leg." is stands for. In my case I was only guessing that it must be collector mr. Smith. In a logic argument it is always bad to discredit future beings of having the same mental capabilities than anybody nowadays. Latin is dead since a few hundred years and still any collector uses, and knows how to use, the "leg." abbreviation. But at the end it is up to individual what to include or not on the label. for sure more information is better then less its just so limited space There is plenty of space when using a font smaller than 6pt., and not a problem for a camera. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 3, 2016 6:56:09 GMT -8
In my opinion it is important to distinguish between the actual collector of a specimen
"leg. Xxx" - wild caught by Xxx
and the origin of a specimen:
either "ex Yyy" - bought from dealer Yyy
or "ex Coll. Zzz" - from the collection of Zzz (this may indicate a historical collection, as well as directly from Zzz's collection to yours).
Theoretically a label could contain all 3 designations, 'leg.' for the actual collector, 'ex Coll.' for the old collection that once housed it, and 'ex' for the person who sold it to you.
Adam.
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