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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 4:31:02 GMT -8
Oh and I forgot to mention that if one of these idiots in a clown costume shows up in the woods I'm going to get them too....
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Post by jshuey on Oct 25, 2016 6:42:46 GMT -8
So really you were joking with me? Just looked at satellite view of Belize. There are plenty of untouched places ware an undiscovered creature could service away from people. Near Peccary Hills Area, south west corner below Monkey Bay area ( lots of rugged mountains there )great place for an undiscovered creature to remain hidden, upper north/north east near Maskall. Lots of untouched wild land in your country. I used to be a skeptic like you. I went out and found the stick structures that Bigfoots make and I have heard them howl twice. I defiantly believe now. Bigfoots in the US avoid game cameras. The ones there in Belize probly do the same. Yes, I’ve been toying with you a bit, and I apologize. The cynical half of my brain couldn’t resist the combination of big foot, beef jerky, and the great unknown. As for wild places in Belize – there are a few – namely a stretch that is 50 X 20 miles wedged in between the backside of the mountain pine ridge and the east flank of the Maya Mountains. But even that was selectively logged during the 1800’s and we found the remains of a narrow gage RR-like transport system a long 2-day hike from the nearest village. That was from the day when slaves did the real work, and steam powered tractors pulled the mahogany down to the rivers. Literally, we worked our asses off to get to a logging camp that was abandoned over 80 years ago. And our time hiking in there followed well defined trails that the Maya (both Belizean and Guatemalan) use to hunt plants and animals in the area. Our guides always know the trails and never need maps - they are up here on a regular basis. The Guatemalans harvest (poach) xate (a palm leaf used in floral arrangements) so extensively in this area that there are fears about the national sovereignty of Belize and the potential extinction of the plant. And the BDF (Belize Defense Force) is constantly patrolling in the area trying to catch the poachers…. So while these areas may look like wilderness in Google Earth, they are not human free. So - when I commented about the smoldering camp fire we stumbled on to, that was real and we were 15 or more miles from the nearest town (if you can call Douglas de Silva a town) – and about 10 miles from the BDF encampment at Caracol ruins. The beef jerky package was real – about 4 miles down a dead-end logging road that cuts right into the “wilderness” from the mountain pine ridge. And there are so many damn trail cams in most of these areas that it scares the bejesus out of you (nothing scares like a flash going off when you’re a couple of miles into the rain forest). So – let’s blame the political system for my willingness to jerk you around a bit this year. Once November has passed, perhaps my cynicism will fade. j
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 26, 2016 5:34:24 GMT -8
bluemoth, go get yourself a thermal imaging scope and put it on your camera. Then get us a photo. Better yet, put it on a .338 Lapua rifle and get Leroy a body.
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Post by bluemoth on Oct 26, 2016 10:53:34 GMT -8
As one of the commenters said to one of the videos posted on YouTube with the ery sounds of a bigfoot I have fallen down the rabbit hole. An assume adventure of discovery into the world of this creature as many others have done. Walking in the woods will always be exciting now. Just a very good clear photo or video is all that is needed for the world to believe. Almost all the ones that exist are blurry or show parts of the creature as it runs away or hides. With the Lords help I will get the perfect images of Bigfoot. It dos not need to be shot with a gun. Stubborn scientists just do not want to believe in the tons of evidence for fear of ridicule or loosing their jobs.
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Post by rjb on Oct 27, 2016 6:04:25 GMT -8
... Stubborn scientists just do not want to believe in the tons of evidence for fear of ridicule or loosing their jobs. Bluemoth: That's a little unfair to scientists. Most scientists I know are driven by curiosity and would love to get hard evidence for a new cryptobiotic species. The DNA study was a good example of scientists struggling and failing to get hard evidence for bigfoot. It sounds like you have become a "true believer" in bigfoot and are reading all the bigfoot-believer sites. The reality is that the dna study on all suspected bigfoot artifacts concluded rather clearly that there is no bigfoot. Scientists have repeatedly inspected the bigfoot observations for decades and they continue to find the data are too weak to even hint there might be a bigfoot. What you and others say is "tons of data" is not much. The argument that - "so many have seen something there must be something there" - is very wrong. These type of false reports are extremely contagious to other humans. When someone reports anything weird like bigfoot or a UFO, hundreds of other sightings will follow because people are the way they are. Some deceive themselves, some make things up for the attention, some engage in fraud because it amuses them. Eye-witness evidence is one of the weakest and most unreliable types of data. Recently I heard a scientist speaking on mapping mosquito occurrence here in NM. To explain her mapping technique she showed a map of bigfoot sightings in North America. She showed how nicely this overlaps with the map of bear sightings. This was good for a chuckle in the audience. Scientists have been checking the bigfoot reports for all the time I have been watching, about 40 years. They don't just dismiss the data- they search for any believable observation that could be published as confirming bigfoot existence... Nothing. I was just doing some mammal research in Peru in the Madre de Dios area of the Amazon. Our camera traps caught puma, agoutis, tapir and lot of other stuff including "researchers walking by". It is OK for you to say bigfoot is wary of camera traps and avoids them, but you are making things up. Jaguars and puma are very wary and humans try but fail to avoid camera traps. You may as well say bigfoot can become invisible at will since you are just making up bigfoot abilities. A better explanation is that the camera traps of the scientists and hunters don't see bigfoot because there is no bigfoot. Oh and an insect note, the beetles in the Amazon were great, found about 1000 by eye without traps in a couple of weeks. Rick
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Post by bluemoth on Oct 27, 2016 8:38:06 GMT -8
Well may be the mosquito scientist has not seen the Rick Dyer tent bigfoot video and timbergiantbigfoot video of a Bigfoot sitting down in the bushes. See other you tubers evaluations of these videos such as thinckertunker. The bigfoot sitting down looks up as a plane goes by - note the deep ridge line above ware the eyes are, the coned head - this is not a bear. The Bigfoot near the tent has a very deep chin, no neck, steeply slanted shoulders, wide width between nose and upper lip - this is not a person in a costume. These are the two best videos I have seen on the internet so far of bigfoots and helped to make me a believer. Plus don't forget about the stick structures that are found every ware Bigfoots live.
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Post by 58chevy on Oct 27, 2016 8:39:30 GMT -8
Bluemoth and Rick,
You both need to read "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" by Jeff Meldrum. Jeff is a legitimate scientist, one of the few who is willing to risk his reputation by studying such a controversial subject. He examines what evidence there is (and some of it is very interesting) in a scientific manner but does not proclaim that Bigfoot does or does not exist. He doesn't rule out either possibility, but I got the impression that he wouldn't be studying the subject if the evidence he has examined wasn't intriguing enough to warrant further study. As any scientist should, he requires more hard evidence before forming a conclusion. I know of no other book that does a better job of analyzing the evidence.
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Post by rjb on Oct 27, 2016 18:43:19 GMT -8
As I was saying, I've followed Bigfoot for 40 years. I was reacting to Bluemoth's insulting scientists for ignoring tons of evidence for fear of losing their jobs. I have read Meldrum and Dennett and followed the story in Skeptical Inquirer. As others including Meldrum have said, any hard physical evidence would solve this question immediately and a tiny bit of sasquatch DNA would really answer lots of questions, like are we talking primate and is it homo and when did it diverge from humans? But the tons of evidence are sadly missing. Rick
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Post by leptraps on Oct 28, 2016 0:37:18 GMT -8
Ms Blue Moth:
As the gentleman that I am. Here is a suggestion, DNA, how about Big Foot Poop. Have you or others ever found a pile of it. Gather some up and get the DNA.
I am being serious (I know that is hard for some of you to believe.) No gun required.
Here's a thought (And now I am no longer being serious) I once owned a little dog that could break wind and empty a room in a hurry. Do Big Foot's fart. That would be a smell to remember. Of that I am sure! If you smell one and hear a Big Foot giggling, it is a Female.
I just let my wife read this. Her comment, and I quote: "I have been married to you (Me) for over 50 years and you have not changed one iota". There is story behind that remark that I should write about some day.
Did I just write the above. And I do not drink beer, booze, or smoke wacky tabacky.
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 28, 2016 5:13:52 GMT -8
Amazing how we have neophyte Bigfoot hunters tromping around popular hiking areas that see Bigfoot, purported researchers finding supposedly all sorts of evidence and photos, but the thousands of serious Deplorables out hunting the deep forest and nobody has shot one. Perhaps they live underground in lighted cave systems like the Giants of Guadalcanal.
Chuck
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 28, 2016 6:35:03 GMT -8
i bet most of the sittings are centred around tiny, remote Forrest towns / villages with a few empty hotels, b and b's, a little shop and a fuel station that serve a dozen locals a day then miraculously someone spots good old "apparently common" Bigfoot and suddenly the small town / village is a busy, bustling tourist spot for a few months or so and when it's all blown over, the original inhabitants of this place can all retire on the profits.
Rich
P.S, Leptraps, I can show you caracas, it's the capital city of Venezuela, a carcass on the other hand I can't help you with, don't you just hate predictive text.
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Post by bluemoth on Oct 28, 2016 11:03:01 GMT -8
See there you go Jeff Meldrum will not admit Bigfoot is real even though he has very INTREAGING EVIDENCE. Needs more study? Really?! - when excellent evidence is all over YouTube? He needs to watch the Bigfoot Tent Video by paranormalptojectx. He needs to go talk to all the citizen researchers out there right now that are having encounters with Bigfoots like Barbra shupe. Then I challenge him to say it dos not exist! Timmsyrj about a week ago I heard A Bigfoot whoop just down on the road not far from my home. Heard it clearly even though my window was closed. I am not in a little town out in the remote woods. Some Bigfoots are close to civilized areas. Sneaking around in the dark looking for food when all humans are asleep. They just stay very well hidden by day except that the stick structures let us know they are there. And some times they throw things at us when we walk in the woods. I did get a rock throne at me at Fall Creek.
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Post by rayrard on Oct 29, 2016 11:12:10 GMT -8
What scientist woukd lose their jobs if they found a Bigfoot? I mean no one stopped them finding Giant Squids and Coelacanths, and countless other new species. I think every biologist would love to be the one with a genuine Bigfoot body in their possession. Even if they did no other science in their life, they would become famous overnight and get enough interviews to keep them paid for life.
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Post by bluemoth on Oct 29, 2016 19:52:13 GMT -8
More cool stuff at Fall Creek. Big double x structure on Ridge Trail and huge log tepee lean down slope beyond the brush. I could see only the top part of the tepee beyond the brush - will investigate that further on a dry day - was misting, was very wet. Got photos of these plus small tree bend with stick lean in its middle. Possible very faint foot print on trail. If it was real it was from a very big fella. Wow!
Well rayrard hard question to answer. It is a complex world of scientists and gov. doing the should we or should we not let the secret be known to the non beleaving people in the US about Bigfoot. If you get in to bigfooting like me you start to find and listen to the stories and get into the deep info that many do not want you to know. I heard a story on YouTube some ranger went to see a lady who had some creature running around the woods on her property. Well to make a long story short the ranger had a meeting with his boss and gov. reps were there that are never there at a meeting with his boss. The Gov. reps took all info on the case and said the rangers were no longer in charge and should never contact the women again. Well this ranger did go back to see the women and he eventually had to quit his job. Another story on YouTube was a forest fire had severely burned a Bigfoot. It was covered in hair and so tall it would not fit on the stretcher. It had been sedated. Was then taken away by some supposed gov. folks. If it lived or died ware is it? A body of a Bigfoot may already be in some top secret gov. freezer right now.
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Post by jshuey on Oct 31, 2016 4:58:06 GMT -8
What scientist woukd lose their jobs if they found a Bigfoot? I mean no one stopped them finding Giant Squids and Coelacanths, and countless other new species. I think every biologist would love to be the one with a genuine Bigfoot body in their possession. Even if they did no other science in their life, they would become famous overnight and get enough interviews to keep them paid for life. Rayrad brings up an important point. I think people think that science is a non-competitive profession - but in academia it is not. The fame and good fortune that such a discovery would bring would be immense. Honestly - the publicity that such a find would bring to the person and their employer would be hugely positive. Creationists use this argument all the time to claim that biologists would never publish research that diminishes the theory of evolution. But can you imagine how important you would become if you came up with THE NEW UNIFYING THEORY OF BIOLOGY? Seriously - you'd be the new Darwin - the rewards would be huge!!! You'd be a lot more famous that that dude that shot a bigfoot! j
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