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Post by mothman27 on Oct 12, 2016 13:08:48 GMT -8
What species? I am assuming the genus eacles. Possibly an ormondei subspecies. Quintana roo, Mexico.  Thanks! |
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Post by oehlkew on Oct 13, 2016 16:41:59 GMT -8
Probably Eacles ormondei ormondei. The subspecies ormondei yucatanensis has been described from the Yucatan Peninsula, but I believe the hindwing line is tangent to the ocellus in yucatanensis but separate in the nominate subspecies as in your image. Neither subspecies has previously been documented in Quintana Roo to my knowledge so this is a nice find. I would like to post image, credited to you on the ormondei file and will also list it in Quintana Roo on the state checklist.
Bill Oehlke
Do you have a date, wingspan and /or more precise location in Quintana Roo?
Also would love to see verso image if you can do that.
Bill Oehlke
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 7, 2016 18:50:33 GMT -8
I am guessing E. imperialis cacius Is this correct?  No data |
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Post by oehlkew on Nov 10, 2016 3:35:32 GMT -8
If these Eacles are also from Mexico?  they would not be subspecies cacicus, which to my knowledge is limited to South America. Without location, there are too many very similar subspecies to make a call. One piece of data/information that you could supply to help those who might try to help you is to provide wingspan. Without data, it is also possible that you have two different Eacles imperialis subspecies depicted as the upper specimen seems to have a more concave forewing outer margin. Bill Oehlke |
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 10, 2016 4:41:25 GMT -8
I just found their data. Both are from French Guyana.
I believe that cacius is the subspecies there, right?
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Post by oehlkew on Nov 10, 2016 10:15:30 GMT -8
My response to you is same as your response to me regarding the ormondei. Nothing!
FYI: Very few people can simply look at an image of a Saturniidae specimen and give a positive id where there are many similar species/subspecies. The more data that is present, the better the chances of an accurate determination. If you are not willing to take the time to provide data so that we can all benefit, then I am not willing to take the time to try to do or confirm ids.
You posted the new images in a thread labeled Eacles from Mexico. I hope not too many people tried to id your moths based on known species in Mexico. Sorry to be such a downer, but I think it is only a common courtesy to provide as much data as possible when asking others to do id work for you. I wonder how you came up with cacicus if you did not realize it was from French Guiana. I also like to post images, credited to respective photographers, of moths that I have identified. If you help me with location, wingspan, verso images for my time in doing or confirming an id for you, I can help many people by posting the images and data. If you do not wish me to post images and are unwilling to provide wingspans, locations, verso images, then I will leave the id work up to others who are not as old and cranky as I am. Bill Oehlke
I realize it is easy to forget things. I forget many things, but I usually do my best to help others when I am asking them to help me. Old school, I guess.
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they would not be subspecies cacicus, which to my knowledge is limited to South America. Without location, there are too many very similar subspecies to make a call. One piece of data/information that you could supply to help those who might try to help you is to provide wingspan. Without data, it is also possible that you have two different Eacles imperialis subspecies depicted as the upper specimen seems to have a more concave forewing outer margin.