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Post by collector on Oct 30, 2016 16:25:01 GMT -8
I need help identifying these two specimens. Are they Graphium?? The labels for both say Indonesia. Thanks   |
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 30, 2016 23:04:29 GMT -8
Left specimen is Pathysa aristeus s.sp parmatus and the right is Graphium macfarlaneii s.sp cestius.
Rich
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 31, 2016 6:40:44 GMT -8
I agree with Rich, but I treat both species as belonging to genus Graphium, as I regard Pathysa as a subgenus. Hopefully a research project on Leptocircini which I am involved in will be able to further clarify the relationships between the different groups and provide clues as to the most (at the time) sensible arrangement. I should remind everyone here that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' in the way anyone treats an available genus group name. If you prefer to treat Pathysa as a genus, then fine. The only negative implication of splitting genera is the loss of information on the relationship between species that could be conveyed to non-experts in the name.
Note there is only one 'i' at the end of macfarlanei. Presumably it was a typo, although the same error also appears in d'Abrera's Butterflies of the Australian Region; only in the species title, not in the individual subspecies entries.
Adam.
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 31, 2016 23:53:29 GMT -8
My apologies Adam, I copied the swallowtails.net spelling of macfarlanei which I've just noticed is correct in the species list but double I on the species page.
Rich
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Post by collector on Nov 1, 2016 22:06:17 GMT -8
Thank you Rich, and thank you Adam, you guys are great. I have one more to ID. Is it Eurytides telesilaus?? Wingspan is 78mm. Bedros  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 2, 2016 7:11:41 GMT -8
Yes, this is Eurytides (Protesilaus) telesilaus dolius (Rothschild & Jordan, 1906).
Adam.
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Post by collector on Nov 3, 2016 20:49:33 GMT -8
Thanks Adam.
Bedros
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Post by timmsyrj on Nov 3, 2016 22:46:30 GMT -8
Yes, thanks Adam, this group confuses the hell out of me, apart from the data, what pointers do you look for?
Rich
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 4, 2016 8:26:44 GMT -8
Well, E. telesilaus is actually the easiest species in the protesilaus group to identify. There are very few species with bright yellow submarginal lunules on the hindwing, and that combined with the close and parallel hindwing underside discal bands and the almost non-existent 4th band in the forewing cell screams telesilaus at me. It also happens to be one of the most widespread and common species in the group.
Adam.
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