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Post by sebastes on Jan 21, 2017 17:58:12 GMT -8
Please, help to identify this taxon from Vietnam. The label: "Dambri, Bao Lam dist., Lam Dong, S.Vietnam". According to H. Fujita's book "The Lucanid Beetles of the World" Odontolabis mouhoti has not been recorded for Vietnam.  |
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Post by bichos on Jan 21, 2017 23:39:57 GMT -8
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Post by sebastes on Jan 27, 2017 2:39:55 GMT -8
Thank you for your opinion. I think so.
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Post by lucanidae25 on Jan 31, 2017 7:26:52 GMT -8
I think it's Odontolabis cuvera fallaciosa, I don't think you will find Odontolabis mouhoti mouhoti in Vietnam. They're only found South Eastern of Thailand and Southern Cambodia and also there's no black on the elytra. I have a Odontolabis cuvera fallaciosa from Kon Tum which is exactly the same as yours. If your specimen is larger than 75mm it's not Odontolabis mouhoti, 75mm is the maximum for Odontolabis mouhoti. Odontolabis cuvera fallaciosa on the other hand gets a lot bigger.
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Post by sebastes on Feb 3, 2017 23:45:41 GMT -8
The length of the depicted above Odontolabis is 74 mm. I still think than it belongs to O. mouhoti ssp. (probably, undescribed ssp.) Dr. Fujita in his book wrote that O. mouhoti mouhoti occurs also in S. Laos. It is close to S. Vietnam. Please take a look at the photo of O. cuvera fallaciosa 84 mm from N. Vietnam (Ha-Giang) to compare. I have also placed the photo of O. mouhoti elegans 77.6 mm (Thailand, Kanchanaburi) from my collection. It was totally rotten and glued. I also put photos of this strange taxon from S. Vietnam made by Ebay's seller.      |
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Post by sebastes on Feb 3, 2017 23:49:32 GMT -8
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Post by bichos on Feb 4, 2017 0:53:04 GMT -8
I too think it's another subspecies yet to be described I have a number of specimens, including mesodonts.
I'll try and post photos soon.
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Post by lucanidae25 on Feb 4, 2017 3:55:09 GMT -8
Both two O. mouhoti ssp doesn't have any black on its elytra and there for I don't think it's O. mouhoti. Odontolabis cuvera is extremely valuable. Personally I think your specimen is closer to Odontolabis cuvera cuvera. At the moment there's only one specimen from Southern Vietnam in H. Fujita's book and it's under Odontolabis cuvera fallaciosa.  |
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Post by sebastes on Feb 4, 2017 5:51:48 GMT -8
Three specimens of O. cuvera fallaciosa from S. Vietnam are illustrated in Fujita's book (Nos. 21-22 - males, No. 23 - female). Since they are all represented there in life-size, measured size of the smaller male - 80 mm. And it is of mesodonte form! Major males with well-developed mandibles from my previous photos - only 70-74 mm!   |
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Post by lucanidae25 on Feb 4, 2017 6:49:07 GMT -8
I do think it might be a new ssp but in my personal point of view I think it's closer to Odontolabis cuvera than Odontolabis mouhoti. It's the absence of black on the elytra that's what sperate mouhoti from cuvera. Odontolabis cuvera cuvera only gets to 76mm maximum. It could be a new ssp with a smaller maximum.
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Post by putangitangi on Feb 4, 2017 12:49:57 GMT -8
Hello Lucanid25
When you say Odontolabis cuvera is extremely valuable, do you mean variable.
Putangitangi
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Post by lucanidae25 on Feb 4, 2017 13:13:38 GMT -8
Ohhh sorry yes I mean variable. It's auto correction on my phone. I can only see two way to resolve this specimen, put it under cuvera ssp or described it as a new sp but including cuvera cuvera as the other ssp. It doesn't make any sense to me to describe under mouhoti ssp because I don't know how you can change the original mouhoti description. I think the best way it's to sent the specimen to Mr Fujita in Japan to confirm.
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Post by sebastes on May 13, 2020 3:44:37 GMT -8
This Odontolabis was recently described as O. mouhoti paulei Levet, 2019.
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