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Post by foxxdoc on Feb 8, 2017 8:07:34 GMT -8
when the endangered species act started there were many exotic animal collectors who now held an illegal animal. there was no grandfathering. many were forced to put down their animals if they couldn"t find a zoo to take them. I suspect the same kind of confusion takes place with a new cities listing. ask some insect collectors who hold old specimens that are now cities.
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Post by leptraps on Feb 8, 2017 9:50:51 GMT -8
Now I only collect NA, Caribbean, and some Neotropica families. Hamadrays, Anaea, and Catagrammi. I have none of the prized stuff. I do have some specimens of endangered species that I collect and some I reared before they were listed. They are in my collection with ID label's. No offence to FWS officers, most cannot ID some of them. They look at the label's, if thet do not have an ID labeled, they pass it by.
With a new kind of President, I think the FWS endangered species group may become extinct. He is a businessman, not a politician.
I think things may be looking up the the Amateur Lepidopterists.
My wife and I were having lunch after church last Sunday at a local eatery in Midway when we were interrupted but some Libtard who was trying to get signatures on an Impeach Trump petition. I signed it, "Mr & Mrs. M. Mouse. While signing, I suddenly got the urge and broke wind, it was bad, really bad. One of those you fondly remember years. The look on her face was fantastic. Even my wife who rags on me for doing that sort of things, congratulated me on my fine expression.
And no, it was not a Waffle House. But that is another story none of you want to hear.
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 8, 2017 13:05:06 GMT -8
when the endangered species act started there were many exotic animal collectors who now held an illegal animal. there was no grandfathering. many were forced to put down their animals if they couldn"t find a zoo to take them. I suspect the same kind of confusion takes place with a new cities listing. ask some insect collectors who hold old specimens that are now cities.
tom I think USFWS has bigger fish to fry than old specimens. There are quite a number of private US citizens with O. alexandrae from a long time ago, they post it on the internet, and I've not heard of anyone hassling them. Now, if you're the idiot that takes the bait from a USFWS phishing scam and buy OA off their fake Eghay sale, then I'm sure you'll get a visit. If you have an old OA and decide to put it on Eghay and claim provenance, I doubt USFWS will bother with you. After the fifth such sale though, they might want to ask a few questions! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:49:02 GMT -8
when the endangered species act started there were many exotic animal collectors who now held an illegal animal. there was no grandfathering. many were forced to put down their animals if they couldn"t find a zoo to take them. I suspect the same kind of confusion takes place with a new cities listing. ask some insect collectors who hold old specimens that are now cities.
tom I think USFWS has bigger fish to fry than old specimens. There are quite a number of private US citizens with O. alexandrae from a long time ago, they post it on the internet, and I've not heard of anyone hassling them. Now, if you're the idiot that takes the bait from a USFWS phishing scam and buy OA off their fake Eghay sale, then I'm sure you'll get a visit. If you have an old OA and decide to put it on Eghay and claim provenance, I doubt USFWS will bother with you. After the fifth such sale though, they might want to ask a few questions! With all due respect......if one has an old OA, selling it on eBay or anywhere else would be foolish indeed. CITES I specimens cannot be sold (new or old) as I understand it. If selling the old ones were allowed/legal, we'd be seeing tons of "older" specimens for sale which would jeopardize the whole warped concept of CITES I, for many would sell newer ones as older. Be safe you all.......don't do a CITES I sale......plain and simple....or.....you'll likely be sorry. |
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Post by Paul K on Feb 8, 2017 16:46:58 GMT -8
when the endangered species act started there were many exotic animal collectors who now held an illegal animal. there was no grandfathering. many were forced to put down their animals if they couldn"t find a zoo to take them. I suspect the same kind of confusion takes place with a new cities listing. ask some insect collectors who hold old specimens that are now cities.
tom CITES does not restrict keeping CITES listed species, it restrict only a trade and only applies to international trade AFAIK. Paul |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 19:59:15 GMT -8
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Post by wingedwishes on Feb 8, 2017 20:51:51 GMT -8
Does this include leather? Maybe not since it is not wildlife. The rules are strange things when enforced. A friend had his plastic novelty boomerangs confiscated as he came back to the USA because boomerangs are weapons and customs dept. did not want weapons brought into the country..... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 21:27:07 GMT -8
Yes, the link states animal parts as well.
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Post by Paul K on Feb 9, 2017 1:32:59 GMT -8
But neither CITES or US Lacey act forbidden to possess old O.alexandrae if it was purchased before CITES and before it has be come protected in country of origin ( PNG ).
I am not citizen of US, so I don't know how the laws there really work, but that is my understanding from what I have read.
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Post by leptraps on Feb 9, 2017 4:25:04 GMT -8
I think that the Trump administration will eventually restrain or eliminate some of these restriction. Although there are people who know how to get around all of these laws/restrictions, These laws have a cost. I would like to see the annual budget number for USFW for the Lacey Act and other areas of the Endangered specia laws.
There are things that need protecting AND protection. Every time we create a law, there is a cost. It gets into the annual budget and it is there to stay.
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 9, 2017 6:06:11 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 7:21:42 GMT -8
Yes......no apparent harm in simply owning a pre-CITES bug, but to sell it is a no no.
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