jaume
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Post by jaume on Mar 13, 2011 5:46:00 GMT -8
I already posted picture of this in the old forum, but I've thought it would be nice to show it again. JAUME Attachments:
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Post by panzerman on Mar 13, 2011 8:26:37 GMT -8
This is one of the rarest atrophaneura, really tough to get in perfect quality like yours. I hope to get one soon, thats one of 15 sp. I still need!!!!!
John
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 13, 2011 13:29:40 GMT -8
Jaume,
Very, very beautiful (even for an all black butterfly!) ;D
How complete is your papilonidae collection?
Simon
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Post by jaume on Mar 13, 2011 14:27:38 GMT -8
Simon, thanks. Answering your question, I think that including parnassians I'm missing 28 species of papilionidae.
JAUME
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Post by lordpandarus on Mar 13, 2011 15:57:12 GMT -8
How do you decide to unfold the sent patches in a butterfly like this? It's risky damaging the specimen when they are so big
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Post by panzerman on Mar 13, 2011 16:20:41 GMT -8
I usually leave them alone, you are right...its risky too open them on atrophaneura, parides...
John
PS: All of mine that are opened, were spread by some expert, that did the job right, like with Jaumes matsudai male.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 14, 2011 10:48:16 GMT -8
If you don't open the scent fold of some Byasa and Parides males it is very difficult to be sure which species they are, whereas the scales inside the male scent fold give the game away. For instance males of Byasa confusus and B. impediens are almost identical, very difficult to separate except for the totally different coloured scent scales in the hw fold. Females can be distinguished by wing pattern, which is lucky, since they don't have scent folds!
I would recommend always opening scent folds, also in Leptocircini, as similar species can be distinguished by looking at the scent folds there too (eg. G. evemon albociliatis and G. eurypylus acheron (= cheronus - unavailable name) fly together and are very similar, but the scales in the scent fold are quite different).
Adam.
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Post by timmsyrj on Mar 14, 2011 11:05:59 GMT -8
Totally agree Adam, all my specimens are now set out to show the full wing area, i find it's pretty easy if they are fully relaxed in a relaxing box. Didn't know these Priapus had the pink flash untill i set them out like this. Rich  Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 14, 2011 11:59:03 GMT -8
Indeed the pink flash is the clue that links priapus to aidoneus, if you don't open the scent fold you wouldn't realise that these are closely related.
The structure of the scent fold (and red hairs at the base of the hws) of matsudai suggests a relationship with A. dixoni of Sulawesi, which is interesting.
Adam.
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Post by lordpandarus on Mar 14, 2011 15:12:28 GMT -8
The sent patch on A. priapus is actually one of the most difficult to open up
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Post by jaume on Mar 14, 2011 23:59:10 GMT -8
In this case I got the specimen mounted. Too risky mount it one self!!
JAUME
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Post by homard on Mar 15, 2011 3:55:53 GMT -8
Jaume, I'm just curious, how it looks like from the underside?  Could you post a pic plz? Alexei |
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Post by panzerman on Mar 15, 2011 16:57:43 GMT -8
Just in! John  Attachments:
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Post by dertodesking on Mar 15, 2011 23:51:37 GMT -8
Just in! John John, Congratulations - another one crossed off the list! Simon |
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Post by panzerman on Mar 16, 2011 5:16:23 GMT -8
Thanks, Simon. Actually for my personal view, some of the ssp., female forms are just as exciting to obtain. Like, I was really happy when I finally got an AI+ pair of papilio mahadeva selangoranus. My top want is any female form of papilio cacicus ssp., in AI quality!!!!!
John
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Could you post a pic plz?
