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Post by lordpandarus on Nov 15, 2017 21:53:26 GMT -8
Just finished setting.Another long wanted species
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 10:32:57 GMT -8
There must be 2 then Lord P, there is another male for sale on ebay, lovely specimen, better than mine, this and e francina are the holy grail of African nymphalidae, and you have k jacksoni too!
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Post by lordpandarus on Nov 16, 2017 12:40:41 GMT -8
I still have Charaxes fournierae as a holy grail...but it's more the price that stopped me so far . I had to pass on several specimens over the years
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:04:47 GMT -8
Euphaedra zampa is mine.
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Post by lordpandarus on Nov 17, 2017 19:25:37 GMT -8
My top 20 Worldwide butterfly holy grail list is:
Consul excellens Consul panariste jansoni Memphis cluvia Memphis eribotes (laertes) Polygraphia supremus Cethosia chrysippe cyrene Charaxes fournierae Charaxes lydiae Doleschallia dascon Epiphile epimenes Epiphile grandis Hypolimnas saundersii Myscelia orsis Papilio garamas electryon Female (Red) Prepona garleppiana Stibochiona schoenbergi Female Parnassius wiscotti Polyura posidonius Drucina championi Parides zacinthus
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 18, 2017 0:40:11 GMT -8
"Parnassius wiscotti" is not a real species, it is a bred aberration of the CITES II listed Parnassius apollo. You would need CITES permits to import one, but personally I wouldn't bother.
Adam.
PS. the Parides is called zacynthus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 8:14:59 GMT -8
I too want saundersii
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 18, 2017 10:40:41 GMT -8
Thank you Adam for the insight on P. wiskotti ! I don't really dabble in Parnassius so my knowledge of them is very limited. I've seen it called wiskotti for so long (about 4 years now on EBay being sold) that I never questioned or even thought of the validity of the species. So, I presume it should be properly called Parnassius apollo ab. wiskotti
It is details like this that can make a big difference on whether a collector / hobbyist is spending their money wisely on something. We all know for example, that a natural occurring aberration is a unique piece and usually a special find (provided a small population has not been affected by the catalyst of the aberration ). However, bred aberrations created under ideal and controlled conditions are never spoken of in the same context. Yes, they are often perfect A1 beautiful baubles (eye candy in a collection) but, their worth scientifically has it's limitations. I must confess however, to a certain fascination for these created "strains" of butterflies and other things as sometimes the knowledge for producing them has been lost when the creator passes away. Notes on the methodology for a technique are not always written down or passed on to others. So in this way, down the road some years; certain aberrations or strains created by individuals (and non repeatable) could conceivably have some real net worth. Examples which I think are proper to site are the strain of "Golden Birdwing" O. euphorion and another seldom seen strain of "color-washed" Urania riphaeus created sometime I heard in the 1940's or 1950's. Both, I was told only created small batches of viable adults the likes of which have not been seen since.
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Post by lordpandarus on Nov 18, 2017 15:05:48 GMT -8
yeah i know P.wiskotti is a not a natural butterfly. It's still nice though, especially the females with a lot of red
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Post by Paul K on Nov 18, 2017 15:51:39 GMT -8
Perhaps creating the aberration without using correct name could allowed to sell those specimens without appropriate papers.
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