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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 1, 2018 19:05:21 GMT -8
Indeed some of the specimens are very flexible but I suppose because of partial muscle damage by decomposing process which already started. Paul THIS!. I spread some similar shaped Charaxes acraeoides a few years back and they went limp right away...almost fell apart
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Post by phanaeus1 on Apr 8, 2018 12:24:33 GMT -8
Phanaeus1 I sent out my collection of 9 pair of in-the-envelope/papered specimens of Ornithoptera=9 pairs 9 (some of them rare!) to a butterfly dealer(he has a ad in the Insect Classifieds but I wont give a name/ as I think this dealer has enough problems already/but after 3 months of waiting and $400.00+ dollars later, the 2 packages arrived=both boxes looked as if they had been used for a hockey team practice session! upon opening the boxes, things were as bad as I expected: the beautifull Ornithoptera were mangled,wings broken.abdomens sheared off of the thoraxes, antennae broken in several places etc =A-I specimens turned to trash!A perfect storm as they say! the fragile and expensive cargo shipped in Riker Mounts were packed together with other heavy items,the large and Tall=from bottom to top of thorax bird wings were placed in too shallow Riker mounts= squashing them sideways.They never stood a chance to arrive at their destination in one piece.The brutal"handling by the U.S.P.S.was a major factor in demolishing the Ornithoptera BUT the "professional" who mounted them, had already ruined them before they were shipped(He Of Course conveniently blamed the postal system for All of the damage)It seems best to learn how to mount ones own specimens if at all possible(I learned this the hard way!One helfull method is to fix graph paper to ones spreading board(firmly) this really helps in lining up the wings on Lepidoptera etc.Buy a bunch of cheap,wholesale butterflies and use them to practice with/its probably better than worrying about the mail!
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Post by kalamay on Apr 8, 2018 13:39:41 GMT -8
Good evening,
these Riker mounts are - expensive, heavy and packing and unpacking animals in them makes damage sure (at least broken legs and antenna) If I did it that way - I would have to be the world biggest Riker mount user (By the way : what can you do with them other than sending insects carelessly and expensive ?)
I have a monthly exchange of papered and set animals with my taxidermist- hundreds of animals are transported yearly - and I never had any losses By the way - my american customers are surely able to confirm the well working of my packing method and the correct setting of my moths too.
Why should I spend my own time for something that doesn't please me and that specialists can do much better than me ? 400 USD as you mentionned would be a sufficiant amount for the setting of 200 sats plus 2 transports inner Europe (200 papered off - 200 set in) insured up to 2.500 Euros.
Seen the many ads you wrote in the past few days and their subjects and not knowing neither your age nor your experience and with very much respect :
Why don't you ask the community before you start your adventures ? I am sure a lot of us will be able to give you free and valuable advice concerning our hobby - the entomology - and would do it willingly (so would I)
Best regards Dieter
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 8, 2018 17:06:35 GMT -8
To buy expensive stuff you have to be reasonably sure you can spread it yourself without causing damage to the specimen. It's not really worth buying expensive stuff if you always transform an A1 specimen into A1- while spreading it I wouldn't trust others to do it for me unless I see the result first. Bent shoulders is my biggest concern as it can't be corrected once it happens. Sometimes very difficult to avoid because of the way the specimen was killed (chemicals that permanently stiffen the specimen). Tried 3 Papilio androgeus Females from one dealer and failed all of them That was the least worst result but specimen is still ruined. I kind of want to try another one from a different dealer but it's an expensive gamble
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 23:56:20 GMT -8
As far as I'm concerned I developed, through illness, tremors in both hands meaning I will only attempt freshly killed self caught and nothing smaller than polyommatus icarus, I'm still ok with anything above this size, for now but don't see that being the case forever, most of my specimens come readily prepared now from insect fairs so I don't have to worry.Nice avatar btw Lord P.
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 9, 2018 8:38:10 GMT -8
I totally forgot to set my avatar all this time.I was going to go with Hypolimnas pandarus to fit my name but it wasn't my picture. So I'll update my avatar every time I get a sought after species now
I'm not really good at spreading anything smaller than Perisama species... so I don't buy a lot of Lycaeniade. Lack of insect fairs here means it's not an option to buy my specimens prepared
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:56:51 GMT -8
I got a really nice Bebearia octogramma female at a fair on sunday here in England, for the sum of £7.25, a male phoebis avellaneda several machaon ssp including 3 britannicus and many, many others and only spent £130,in fact my storebox was heaving, this is a northern England fair, not many dealers from the south bother with it and yet the supposedly "superior" AES London show is certainly no better for deadstock, in fact over the last few years it's not been as good and the prices at the show in the north are much lower. I would really struggle if I lived in a country where there were no fairs, my collection would be nowhere near as good, the best thing is that unlike the internet you can see first hand what you are buying, no bidding war and no setting.
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 9, 2018 18:28:27 GMT -8
About 15% of papered butterflies I buy on the internet (various dealers, ebay) are no good even though they were listed as A1. That happens with all sellers (some have a better average than others though)
if I spent a few dollars I just suck it up and buy it again eventually, but when a specimen is above 20$ and it's not the quality listed it's a real let down
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 22:44:04 GMT -8
Just had that experience with a pair of papilio maackii tutanus advertised as A1, female was A2 male was no better than B, lovely butterfly so disappointed but $17 I could have spent on something else at Sundays fair.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 10, 2018 7:13:25 GMT -8
I LOVE spreading expensive/rare/unique butterflies !!! There is a thrill you will never experience with common backyard leps ! And yes, it happened to me to ruin some of them... that's the game... The more thrilling is to spread some non-described taxon on which you know for sure they are future TYPE specimen... there you have a real pressure on your shoulders !
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Post by sam9710 on May 16, 2018 20:44:06 GMT -8
I'd love to mount rare/unique species,only rarities could bring up my interest~ I used to tried mount common species for practice,but a period later,I feels boring~Only rarities are exciting!! Though,I damaged some specimens not easy to get,but the experience of this make me improve faster and good at repairing! Here is a example for my repairing,it broken by forcible shipping,what a pity! whole box like this ~
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Post by sam9710 on May 16, 2018 20:45:49 GMT -8
some pictures
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Post by sam9710 on May 16, 2018 20:53:37 GMT -8
chips
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Post by sam9710 on May 16, 2018 20:55:13 GMT -8
fabrication!!
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Post by sam9710 on May 16, 2018 20:57:40 GMT -8
repairing~~
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