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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 2:46:04 GMT -8
Thanks, that's 2 shows in a row that I have found avellaneda at good prices, I have been after an octogramma female to go with my lonely male for a while, I found it on the first stall I went to too. On the machaon they were not sold to me but given as a gift from a friend.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 16, 2018 2:59:13 GMT -8
Yes Adam it is smaller than gorganus, quite a bit so actually. That's what I expected, as emisphyrus is normally rather smaller. I bred them from a place not far from Modena (Concordia Sulla Secchia). One interesting observation that I made after breeding many different races of machaon is that despite the unnatural temperatures here the phenotypes of each population remained stable, which suggests that the appearance is genetic rather than environmental. Adam. |
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Post by bobw on Apr 16, 2018 5:23:30 GMT -8
I'm not sure what happens at the other shows but at the main show we have here run by the AES near London, it is believed that representatives from DEFRA (the government agency charged with such things) are on the prowl. The AES themselves police things fairly rigidly; they send out a list of all species for which permits are required in advance to traders and all species on this list that you wish to sell have to be declared in advance, and permits must be displayed on the day. The organisers check all tables during the day and if anything is found that doesn't have the correct permit it must be immediately removed, or if it is a very serious breach the trader will be ejected and not allowed back at future shows.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 10:05:55 GMT -8
The last time I went to the Kempton show I was aware of people with clipboards checking what dealers were selling, well at least it's better than working for a living.
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Post by trehopr1 on Apr 16, 2018 17:53:50 GMT -8
Well, it's good to hear your shows pretty much police themselves to keep things legal. That's the way it should be.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 17, 2018 3:22:02 GMT -8
Thanks, that's 2 shows in a row that I have found avellaneda at good prices. There was a guy in Modena with at least 30 P. avellaneda for sale. I guess they are now breeding them in Cuba. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 8:09:29 GMT -8
Did you take a picture of the case, that's a sight I'd like to see.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 17, 2018 8:13:23 GMT -8
Sorry, I didn't.
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Post by bobw on Apr 17, 2018 10:27:27 GMT -8
There's been an Italian guy with a whole case-full of avellaneda for sale at all the shows for several years now, I'm pretty sure they were all wild-collected. It can be quite common in places when you hit it right, a friend told me that he once collected a big series of both sexes a few years ago in one morning on a single flowering tree.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 13:08:21 GMT -8
What fair Bob?
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Post by Paul K on Apr 17, 2018 13:38:59 GMT -8
Is it possible to collect in Cuba ?
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Post by bobw on Apr 17, 2018 15:24:29 GMT -8
I've certainly seen them at both Paris and Prague, maybe Frankfurt too but I can't remember for sure.
I don't think it's possible to collect legally in Cuba but from what I've heard it's not really a problem and it doesn't worry the locals.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 17, 2018 23:18:28 GMT -8
I don't think it's possible to collect legally in Cuba but from what I've heard it's not really a problem and it doesn't worry the locals. Foreigners need collecting permits to collect in Cuba. I heard that they are easy to obtain by contacting the right people (Universities, Museums...). |
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Post by papilio28570 on Apr 18, 2018 21:30:15 GMT -8
"There's been an Italian guy with a whole case-full of avellaneda for sale at all the shows for several years now, I'm pretty sure they were all wild-collected. It can be quite common in places when you hit it right, a friend told me that he once collected a big series of both sexes a few years ago in one morning on a single flowering tree."
I have found this true of P. philea also around patched of morning glory vines sprawled on a slope.
P.sennae seems addicted to the color red.
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Post by nomihoudai on Apr 18, 2018 22:34:17 GMT -8
Yes that guy was also in Frankfurt. He had rented a place in Cuba and collected them over a period of 2 months. He's showing that drawer since many years, at least 5 that I remember. I don't know his name.
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