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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 5:46:26 GMT -8
Supply and demand for all things always dictates market value not just in entomology, cars, houses, stamps,art etc, the rare, beautiful and ultra desirable are always going to demand a premium, however the chase, the feeling we get when we at last obtain, sometimes at great cost and sacrifice are the things that make life worth living and make us feel alive, I pity those who can only focus on the mundane things of our existence, eat, sleep work, breed and die, what a waste,never asking the questions how, why,etc.
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 31, 2018 8:04:35 GMT -8
Nothing is more expensive than going and getting it yourself. But it’s far more rewarding.
I’d far rather spend the money to go than spend it on dead specimens via mail. But that’s me.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 31, 2018 8:10:11 GMT -8
Nothing is more expensive than going and getting it yourself. But it’s far more rewarding. I’d far rather spend the money to go than spend it on dead specimens via mail. But that’s me. I totally agree with you Chuck, nothing can replace the adventure and thrill when go collecting, there is always something new to discover. Buying off internet is boring. Paul
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Post by leptraps on Oct 31, 2018 8:40:42 GMT -8
When you are out collecting you can always find something interesting, and it is not always insects. Many years ago while collecting in South Carolina near Myrtle Beach, stumbled onto a couple having sex. She was sitting on the tail gate of a pick up truck, he was standing with his pants around his ankles and her legs pointing at the clouds and he was throwing her the golden bone.
When they saw me, I bid them a Good Day and kept on walking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 9:50:27 GMT -8
I prefer self collected material, if for nothing else I am in charge of the data, the discoveries I have made in my part of the world this year have been staggering.
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 31, 2018 10:21:36 GMT -8
Where would one find Hypolimnas exiguus for sale? That's one of those beauties that has to be caught on-site.
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Post by leptraps on Nov 12, 2018 10:26:21 GMT -8
I just saw a post here on Insectnet for a Beetle for $2,535.00. And someone chimed in that that was cheap.
Can you imagine the splat mark that would make on your windshield? Splat mark!!!. It would take out your windshield, and possibly you.
I get comments about the pricing of my traps, but they will spend 5G for a DA beetle.
And I have been giving my beetles away.
What is the most bucks some of you have spent for an insect, butterfly, moth, beetle, how about a S**t fly.
$2.500.00 bucks. I can travel out west for several weeks collecting Lepidoptera.
I got an email from a Chinese cutie a couple of years ago who would marry for $5,000 if I would bring her to America.
Did I miss the left turn to stupidity. You did get the "Left" uglypart, got it??
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Post by nomad on Nov 13, 2018 12:48:37 GMT -8
I certainly do now believe the Chinese have lots of money, I went to Oxford recently and it was packed with them, all enjoying the history and culture.
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 16, 2018 2:43:27 GMT -8
I certainly do now believe the Chinese have lots of money, I went to Oxford recently and it was packed with them, all enjoying the history and culture. Yeap. Even if only 1% of Chinese people would be very wealthy, it would be 140 million people ! And if it was 4% of wealthy people, it is more people than the whole European Union (including Britain ) I am thinking of translating all my websites in Chinese.
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Post by leptraps on Nov 16, 2018 6:13:12 GMT -8
Back in the late 1970's I met a Chinses Lepidopterist and his wife at a Lepidopterist Society meeting in Louisville, Kentucky. They were 20+ years older the my wife and I. They were born in China, raised by British Missionaries and fled China after WW2 with the rise communism and Mao Zedong & Company. They told us between the Japanese, Russians and Mao Zedong the slaughter was unbelievable. After fleeing China they eventually settled in Canada. They also said that China would Eventually become a world power and would fall in love with the US Dollar.
I (Leptraps) have conducted business in China (Causally). It can be rather difficult. It is however a huge market.
While conducting a survey of Lepidoptera in some state forests in central Indiana, I met a Hispanic man and his son. The son is a upcoming Lepidopterist and is currently attending college at IU. They (The family) had just returned to the US from working in China for his employer. They told me that there were many Lepidopterist in China.
My concern with doing business is how they Chinese operate. Prior to my retirement I worked in the Sheet Metal product industry. My last employer made Lockers (School/gymasium). We changed a hole location in door for the handle. To prevent mixing old and new products we punched a hex hole in the top flange of the door in place of a round hole. These holes were used to hang the door on a paint line and enabled us to separate old from new. Several years later, we were contact by a Chinese Company who wanted to do business with us. When the visited us they brought a sample locker with them that they were manufacturing in China. When we saw the product it was an exact copy of ours and included the hex hole in the flange. An exact copy.
That is how the Chinese operated then and from what I have heard recently, still do. The real shocker for us was the price. We could buy our product from them complete for what it cost us to buy the steel only.
Word of caution. Carefully enter that market. If there is enough money involved, there could be InsectNet with a fortune Cookie with every sale.
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Post by Paul K on Nov 16, 2018 8:06:01 GMT -8
I certainly do now believe the Chinese have lots of money, I went to Oxford recently and it was packed with them, all enjoying the history and culture. Yeap. Even if only 1% of Chinese people would be very wealthy, it would be 140 million people ! And if it was 4% of wealthy people, it is more people than the whole European Union (including Britain ) I am thinking of translating all my websites in Chinese. Olivier, 1% that is 14 million It is still almost a half of Canada’s population though .
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 16, 2018 12:42:27 GMT -8
Oups !
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Post by kevinkk on Jun 7, 2019 19:24:50 GMT -8
I guess things are worth what people are willing to pay, and I have sympathy for sticker shock, I'd like to have some chyrsina beetles, they cost a small fortune, in my opinion, and the sellers have box after box of them. Well, they're going to remain in those boxes. A lot of it is pure greed, although I suppose issues with importation play a factor, I find it troubling that so many specimens have such high price tags, it invites over collecting and unethical behavior. Ok, let's all get rich catching bugs....unlikely, it's like collecting anything else, old toys, comic books, books. Sure- some things are rare, but you don't get to see those things to begin with- because they're rare. I wish I still had my 80's specimens from the Dominican Republic, now I think you need a permit to collect there- and high prices don't help things like that.
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Post by wingedwishes on Jun 18, 2019 10:54:00 GMT -8
I tend to watch Ebay also for the one time sellers. I have been lucky enough to purchase a lot of 100 coleopterans from an estate sale for about $30. Just one of them was worth the money and they had the collection data too.
Regarding Sasakia charonda, Still can find them in lots of 50 for $40 from China.
Eco tourism seems to have been a boon too. New collectors are appearing due to "a trip they took in the rain forest."
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