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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 21, 2019 8:03:40 GMT -8
Are those different shades of blue just variation or specific colours to certain subspecies? Usually the blue tone is rather constant within each subspecies, but in some subspecies the colour seems to be variable. It is also worth bearing in mind that occasional specimens that are a different tone of blue to the others could be an artifact due to treatment of the specimen after it was killed. The blue colour can easily be affected by chemicals or heat, etc. So it is difficult to be certain how much of the variation among specimens of the same subspecies is natural and how much is not, I suspect that mostly it may not be. Adam. |
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Post by konstantin on Jan 31, 2020 0:58:45 GMT -8
Hello. I ask you, is the subspecies a.ulysses: karkarensis
(Schäffler & Schmidbauer, 2004)(Karkar isl.PNG)
independent, and what are its main differences?
Please do you have some pictures.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 31, 2020 8:13:32 GMT -8
Here's the original description and diagnosis as well as photos of the holotype and the paratype: Achillides ulysses karkarensis subsp. nov. (Tafel 2, Fig. 5 - 6) Holotypus: [male], Papua-Neuguinea, Karkar Isl., 10.10.1977, coll. Thomas Frankenbach Wohmbrechts, (TFW). Paratype: 1 [male] gleiche Daten wie Holotypus, coll. Thomas Frankenbach Wohmbrechts, (TFW). Namensgebung Nach der Papua-Neuguinea vorgelagerten Insel Karkar benannt. Verbreitung Auf die Insel Karkar beschränkt. Beschreibung Vorderflügellänge 0 von 64 - 65 mm (Holotypus 64,2 mm) Die blauen Bereiche des Vorderflügels deutlich reduziert. Die Zelle nicht gänzlich blau ausgefüllt. Die Blauzeichnung des Hinterflügels ebenfalls deutlich reduziert. Differentialdiagnose Achillides ulysses karkarensis subsp. nov. ist eine wenig variable Unterart welche sich deutlich von den nächstgelegenen Nachbarn, A. u. autolycus Felder, 1865 und A. u. gabrielis Rothschild, 1898 unterscheidet. In ihrem Erscheinungsbild liegt sie genau in der Mitte zwischen den beiden Unterarten. Die blauen Bereiche sind gegenüber A. u. autolycus Felder, 1865 von Papua-Neuguinea deutlich reduziert, jedoch nicht so weit wie für A. u.
gabrielis Rothschild, 1898 von den Manus Inseln typisch. Die Weibchen dieser neuen Unterart sind bislang noch nicht bekannt.  |
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Post by konstantin on Jan 31, 2020 17:22:20 GMT -8
Thanks for your reply.I found out what kind of butterfly from Karkar isl.
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Post by hewi on Feb 2, 2020 9:33:44 GMT -8
unfortunately the name karkarensis is a synonym.
The island of Karkar was formerly called Dampier Island (not to be confused with the Dampier-street, north of New Guinea).
The subspecies of Karkar=Dampier island was already described in the year 1897 by Bernhard Hagen
as ssp. melanotica in the Jahrbücher des nassauischen Vereins für Naturkunde, vol. 50.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 2, 2020 9:51:58 GMT -8
Manfred,
Thanks very much for pointing that out, you are absolutely correct and I was busy so forgot to check if there was already an available name.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 3, 2020 5:33:07 GMT -8
I also forgot that I had actually posted a synonymy of Papilio ulysses a year ago in the third post down on page one of this thread, where I listed karkarensis as a synonym of melanotica.
Adam.
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Post by leptraps on Feb 3, 2020 6:44:06 GMT -8
Several questions just out of curiosity:
How many of you have actually collected a a live specimen of Papilio ulysses?
From what I have recently read, each land mass in SE Asia has a population of Papilio ulysses and as a result a named subspecies, especially the larger Islands. There is considerable distances between larger land masses, including some smaller islands.
If one wants to collect all the subspecies, this would be a difficult under taking.
I am also assuming, many of your specimens are purchased. This could get expensive? I saw the list of named subspecies. Does anyone have them all?
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 3, 2020 9:16:47 GMT -8
From what I have recently read, each land mass in SE Asia has a population of Papilio ulysses and as a result a named subspecies, especially the larger Islands. There is considerable distances between larger land masses, including some smaller islands. Actually P. ulysses is "Australasian" rather than SE Asian. It occurs in the North and South Moluccas to New Guinea and surrounding islands, eastwards to the Solomon Islands and also south to northern Queensland. SE Asia is further west, and it does not occur anywhere in that region. It would be nice if it did, because I live in northern Thailand, definitely part of SE Asia. Adam. PS. Since I have never been east of the Laos-Vietnam border I have never seen or caught P. ulysses myself. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 3, 2020 9:40:19 GMT -8
If one wants to collect all the subspecies, this would be a difficult under taking. I am also assuming, many of your specimens are purchased. This could get expensive? I saw the list of named subspecies. Does anyone have them all? Many of the subspecies are actually available for sale at relatively low prices, particularly most of the subspecies from Indonesia. The Solomon Island subspecies are also mostly available for sale, but it is now rather hard to find fresh specimens from Papua New Guinea and islands belonging to that country. From the 1970s until IFTA (the PNG government insect trading organisation) closed down in about 2006 they were commonly available from many places and islands. I guess that some dealers still have a number of older specimens in stock. It seems to be quite common in many localities, and is also bred or ranched so large numbers are available from some Indonesian islands, but even in Indonesia subspecies from some islands are very hard to find. Wild males are apparently easily lured down by shiny blue paper or a dead specimen placed with wings open on the ground. Adam. |
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