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Post by vinylapples on Apr 13, 2019 19:51:55 GMT -8
I want to try to rear some H. Cecropia again this year. Does anyone know if they can accept ceanothus sp. as a host? Also sweetgum? In my area it is hard to find chokecherry, apple, and even maple, so host plants are pretty limited for me I would also like to rear them indoors in a big homemade mesh rectangular prism rearing cage. (I don't want to keep them outside since in Cali the summer is extremely hot and dry) I have heard it is best to sleeve rear, but is rearing these guys indoors tolerable for them? (my temp will be about 75 F) Are there any precautions I can take to avoid my colony dying off, especially during the third instar? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Jason Ni
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 14, 2019 2:45:49 GMT -8
Assuming these are not gregarious it is always best to separate all the larvae, preferably 1 per branch from late 2nd instar onwards, or at least 2-3 per branch at first then singly before 4th instar. Ideally each branch should be kept in a separate cage to minimize spread of pathogens by air, so it would be better to make several mesh cages rather than one very big one (I guess it depends on your definition of 'big'). At least mesh cages are much less stressful to larvae than being kept in plastic boxes where airflow is minimal. That's the main cause of disease.
Actually often disease is caused by bacteria which naturally occur on/in the larvae in very small quantities taking over and multiplying rapdly because the larval immune system is knocked out by poor breeding conditions. Once the bacterial load inside a larva increases significantly it is irreversible and bacteria will spread to other larvae in the same area very rapidly, so a major preventative method is to minimise stress ensuring that the larval immune system can keep bacteria under control. As soon as any larva shows initial signs of sickness it should be removed and destroyed, and all the other larvae on the same branch should be carefully moved to new branches (1 per branch so they cannot contaminate each other subsequently) as the old branch will be heavily contaminated anywhere the infected larva walked, and any other larvae walking over the same stalk/leaf will immediately be contaminated.
Adam.
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Post by bugsinmyhouse on May 17, 2019 9:43:48 GMT -8
I have successfully reared Cecropia ( With Permit requires in my State as the Moth is not native here ) on several trees. I’m fortunate to live in an area where many species of Eastern Trees have been planted which helps out greatly.
I will say that Cecropia are NOT the easiest of Giant Saturnid Moths to rear in captivity. Over crowding them can be an issue. They succumb easily to bacterial infection.
My best results have come from feeding them Maple ( Acer ) specifically Red Maple and on Cherry. We don’t have Eastern Pin Cherry here which is a preferred host plant for Cecropia, but they will do just fine on Bing Cherry which is plentiful in my area. Boxelder is listed as a food source but honestly I’ve never had good results with that for my Cecropia.
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Post by leptraps on May 17, 2019 15:38:56 GMT -8
I reared them twice on Silver Maple (Acer saccharinum) in sleeves. I have found cocoons on Sugar Maple, Willows, Ash and Sycamore.
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Post by foxxdoc on May 20, 2019 10:21:31 GMT -8
purchase several potted cherry trees from local sources. home depot , lowes. local nursey. start eggs or larvae in small containers w fresh leaves . after bigger transfer to rotating trees. grow on screened porch or sleeve them.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 20, 2019 11:58:27 GMT -8
purchase several potted cherry trees from local sources. home depot , lowes. local nursey. start eggs or larvae in small containers w fresh leaves . after bigger transfer to rotating trees. grow on screened porch or sleeve them. If you did that here in Thailand you would need to wait at least 6 months or more before using leaves as food for larvae because of the systemic insecticides mixed in the soil. It takes at least that long for the insecticides to lose their potency. Adam.
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Post by Paul K on May 20, 2019 13:03:55 GMT -8
purchase several potted cherry trees from local sources. home depot , lowes. local nursey. start eggs or larvae in small containers w fresh leaves . after bigger transfer to rotating trees. grow on screened porch or sleeve them. If you did that here in Thailand you would need to wait at least 6 months or more before using leaves as food for larvae because of the systemic insecticides mixed in the soil. It takes at least that long for the insecticides to lose their potency. Adam. I am afraid it is not much better in North America. All trees and plants are growing outside in the nurseries and they are treated well from above and under to achieve the best look for sale.
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Post by leptraps on May 21, 2019 2:06:26 GMT -8
You should ask that question to the nursery or HI Store prior to purchasing. I believe both Lowe's and Home Depot use a water base insecticide both on the trees/Shrubbery/plants and in the soil of most trees and scrubs.
I have lived here in Central Kentucky for almost 20 years. I am a known entomologist/Lepidopterist and I have been given access to many privately owned natural areas. One of my best locations for sleeve rearing on trees is a wooded fence line about 1/2 mile long. And the farmers who own the property are excellent watch dogs and are inquisitive.
Whenever they see me on their property they will stop at talk. Some of them attend the same church that I do.
I have also learned a great deal about farming. Corn, Soybeans, Milo, Sun Flowers and even Cotton (I lived in Mississippi in the 1990's where Cotton is King.)
I also have contacts with the State Agriculture people. Just knowing these people will gain you access to some great areas.
Of course my great personality and stunning good looks help.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 21, 2019 4:46:45 GMT -8
Of course my great personality and stunning good looks help. I am sure it does I forgot to mention the insecticides they use here in Thailand are systemic, applied impregnated in sand mixed in the soil, and once they are absorbed by the plant they protect it from all insects for about 6 months. Adam.
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Post by foxxdoc on May 21, 2019 8:42:24 GMT -8
find the out print book 'moths and how to rear them" by paul Villard. found online.
TOM
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Post by mothman27 on May 23, 2019 17:39:39 GMT -8
My first silkmoth, an H. cecropia hatched today, let the silkmoth season begin!
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