Post by fishnbugz on Sept 27, 2019 9:06:18 GMT -8
Gaspipe your questions on climate change are planted there by the 889 million dollars the Koch brothers spent between 2009 and 2016 to do exactly that, along with a few of their uber-rich buddies. I'm not gonna convince anyone they've been fooled, but you simultaneously discuss concern for poor working class while advocating doing exactly what the billionaire oil men want done, nothing!
I don't want an oil spill on my river, but Turnip-head and Co. approved a pipeline and put it right through the river 5 minutes after he got in there. Now they can get their tar-sands oil to port and ship it out of the country, but we get all the enviro-risk and no real reward. Fishing tourism is a million-dollar industry on the river that far exceeds navigation interests, but they are managing the whole Mo. River system for barge traffic that barely exists today.
Seen the "jumping carp" videos on social media? I've had as many as 50 silver carp jump into the boat with me in a matter of a couple minutes, we had about 15 jump into the boat in about 10 seconds on Tuesday. Talk about a slimy mess I shouldn't even have to deal with... We've got Bighead and Silver Carp, and Grass Carp because a select few catfish farmers let the free market convince them it was a great idea, and because regulations were not in place or enforced. The last 20 years of presidents have not acted to mitigate this, in fact in the case of W actually obstructed science, because there was money applying political pressure to keep it status quo. They've spent a few million on electronic fish barriers to keep the carp out of the great lakes, and also there are reports that they've already breached that barrier. Free market dictates that we did not physically close the man-made canals that allow a direct link from infested water to "not known to be infested" water, a common sense solution that would cost the rich/corporations but produce jobs for the poor. The farmers around here love the free market, they put fertilizer, pesticide, and herbicide on the ground every year and then the government cuts them a check too; the biggest farmer in my county gets $750,000 from the taxpayers each year, this is public info that anyone can look up. Then their chemicals run off the land into my river and out into the sea, or leach down into the aquifer. This is is how the "free market" works in America- we don't do what's best for the people and/or the environment, we do what makes rich people the most money.
www.ucsusa.org/center-for-science-and-democracy/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/a-to-z/missouri-river.html
Meanwhile, in my area in the last 2 yrs, hundreds of wind generators are popping up within a 20-30 mile radius of my home. It's providing a huge influx of jobs and money, and I see those windmill parts rolling down the highways nearly every time I drive. It doesn't look at all like "going green" is gonna fuel an economic collapse here, it looks like loads of good jobs building, transporting, and setting these things up on land that's already completely private owned row crops of corn or beans. Other than a little deadly windmill cancer and a few birds lost, there isn't a lot of drawback. The companies improved the county roads to fit the huge parts even.
The status quo just isn't what I want:
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/10/earths-sixth-mass-extinction-event-already-underway-scientists-warn
It took thousands of years for the human population to hit 1 billion. It took 100 years to hit 2 billion. We are now at 7.7 billion people and we add anther billion every 12 years. Earth has a finite amount of arable land, we're already using most of it, and it's producing at near full capacity in the developed world(meaning there isn't much potential to dramatically increase yields in many places). The oceans are getting tapped out too. I expect at some point in the future we're gonna have to eat the rich.
cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/world_population_1050_to_2050.jpg
People act like the green new deal is terrible because it has a price tag, but tons of future jobs are included in that cost and inaction may prove far more costly. I think things like Mountaintop removal coal mining for a buck, leaving people with frack-induced earthquakes or flammable tap water for a buck, the Deepwater Horizon spill and spraying "Corexit" dispersal chemical all over the ocean are terrible, andlosing even 1 single extant species that can never be brought back, displacing whole natural ecosystems with invasive species- every time this happens, that's something lost that nobody can even put a price tag on. There are very good reasons to change course even if global warming were to be proven false this very afternoon...which it won't. The evidence will become clearer and clearer, but it's basically on our kids to fix this- after the people obstructing change finally die off or get eaten.
I don't want an oil spill on my river, but Turnip-head and Co. approved a pipeline and put it right through the river 5 minutes after he got in there. Now they can get their tar-sands oil to port and ship it out of the country, but we get all the enviro-risk and no real reward. Fishing tourism is a million-dollar industry on the river that far exceeds navigation interests, but they are managing the whole Mo. River system for barge traffic that barely exists today.
Seen the "jumping carp" videos on social media? I've had as many as 50 silver carp jump into the boat with me in a matter of a couple minutes, we had about 15 jump into the boat in about 10 seconds on Tuesday. Talk about a slimy mess I shouldn't even have to deal with... We've got Bighead and Silver Carp, and Grass Carp because a select few catfish farmers let the free market convince them it was a great idea, and because regulations were not in place or enforced. The last 20 years of presidents have not acted to mitigate this, in fact in the case of W actually obstructed science, because there was money applying political pressure to keep it status quo. They've spent a few million on electronic fish barriers to keep the carp out of the great lakes, and also there are reports that they've already breached that barrier. Free market dictates that we did not physically close the man-made canals that allow a direct link from infested water to "not known to be infested" water, a common sense solution that would cost the rich/corporations but produce jobs for the poor. The farmers around here love the free market, they put fertilizer, pesticide, and herbicide on the ground every year and then the government cuts them a check too; the biggest farmer in my county gets $750,000 from the taxpayers each year, this is public info that anyone can look up. Then their chemicals run off the land into my river and out into the sea, or leach down into the aquifer. This is is how the "free market" works in America- we don't do what's best for the people and/or the environment, we do what makes rich people the most money.
www.ucsusa.org/center-for-science-and-democracy/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/a-to-z/missouri-river.html
Meanwhile, in my area in the last 2 yrs, hundreds of wind generators are popping up within a 20-30 mile radius of my home. It's providing a huge influx of jobs and money, and I see those windmill parts rolling down the highways nearly every time I drive. It doesn't look at all like "going green" is gonna fuel an economic collapse here, it looks like loads of good jobs building, transporting, and setting these things up on land that's already completely private owned row crops of corn or beans. Other than a little deadly windmill cancer and a few birds lost, there isn't a lot of drawback. The companies improved the county roads to fit the huge parts even.
The status quo just isn't what I want:
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/10/earths-sixth-mass-extinction-event-already-underway-scientists-warn
It took thousands of years for the human population to hit 1 billion. It took 100 years to hit 2 billion. We are now at 7.7 billion people and we add anther billion every 12 years. Earth has a finite amount of arable land, we're already using most of it, and it's producing at near full capacity in the developed world(meaning there isn't much potential to dramatically increase yields in many places). The oceans are getting tapped out too. I expect at some point in the future we're gonna have to eat the rich.
cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/world_population_1050_to_2050.jpg
People act like the green new deal is terrible because it has a price tag, but tons of future jobs are included in that cost and inaction may prove far more costly. I think things like Mountaintop removal coal mining for a buck, leaving people with frack-induced earthquakes or flammable tap water for a buck, the Deepwater Horizon spill and spraying "Corexit" dispersal chemical all over the ocean are terrible, andlosing even 1 single extant species that can never be brought back, displacing whole natural ecosystems with invasive species- every time this happens, that's something lost that nobody can even put a price tag on. There are very good reasons to change course even if global warming were to be proven false this very afternoon...which it won't. The evidence will become clearer and clearer, but it's basically on our kids to fix this- after the people obstructing change finally die off or get eaten.
