Change is coming, whether you like it or not!

Looked outside this morning. Nope, no warming- business as usual. -12C this morning. Not like The Great Warming Event of 1994, we sailed liquid water on December 4th. Not this year.

On another topic, which I've mentioned in threads about MV and UV lights at night, one can see the density of the forest which backs my lights. It seems that as the forest has matured there is greater leaf material, effectively blocking the bright MV. When I run MV now the whole area is lit up, flooded with light, and I believe there is little penetration into the forest; when an insect does get into the area between the deck (where the light is) and the forest, the intensity of light is too much to draw them in.

Climate models are like women’s shoes ; each day look in the closet and see what looks best. Fact is most climate models have been inaccurate. I believe of the 20 or 30 used by the UN the Russian model has been the most accurate. They must have rigged both the election and climate at the same time. Fact is the western world has and is addressing carbon emissions but it’s always glossed over when China and India are brought up. Dumb politicians want to turn the country upside down and break the bank with zero research to show it will have any effect. Heck one relatively small volcanic eruption
would undo trillions of wasted tax payer money.!
There are so many factors ; many unknown that can effect the climate that can cause changes and be completely beyond human control. Yeah I known: control those we can . But show something all this Green Deal BS will even matter . Fact is you can’t. So let’s have the market forces drive the effort . Build me a Ford F-150 to run my business that is electric , costs the same or less , had the same power , same hauling and plowing capabilities and I’ll buy it . I wait with baited breath. Do that and I’ll be on board . But spare me all the models with
incomplete and limited cherry picked data. And most of all spare me the hysterics. Remember the ozone becoming depleted by 1990 ? Huh don’t hear much about that anymore .

Gaspipe believes that the models are not trustworthy. He disagrees with the 10,000+ scientists who actually study global warming. Exoticimports doesn’t trust scientists because they are funded by governments. Those 10,000+ scientists are from many countries, working for many decades under many political regimes. Some were funded by the petroleum industry (like Exxon). Many polls have shown that scientists span the full political ideology range, far left to far right. That tends to be irrelevant to the science. The science process has been successful because it weeds out the errors and fraud that any individual scientist might publish.

We all make a personal choice to guess that the scientists are right or wrong. If you understand science-the methods, the process, the history of how it can fail and get fixed, then you will feel very confident to trust the scientists on this one.

Exoticimports likes to follow the money unless he doesn’t like the results. The petroleum industry set out to confuse the public. The dollars they have spent, company by company are huge and known. All the typical confusion about this topic – “scientists talked about global cooling in the 70’s” “All models are untrustworthy”, “volcanoes” , “the sun cycles” originated many decades ago by the “think tanks” of the oil industry. All the confused arguments were adequately addressed decades ago and are just being recycled. The fossil fuel industry campaign to confuse the public was successful as is evidenced by this discussion. Several very smart people like gaspipe, exoticimports and leptraps are completely wrong about global warming, thanks to the confusion-campaign of the oil industry. The confusion has prevented the world from taking much action, so the future looks much worse than it might have. Tough luck. That’s the way people are.

Rick

We have some mighty big accusations leveled against me. I never said there is no global warming, nor did I say follow the money except. We have juveniles fabricating my words, and I don't appreciate it.

Unlike virtually all armchair weather warriors, I've actually experienced the king tides on Funafuti and Majuro, sat through hurricanes, and suffered through record high water on the Great Lakes. I don't need some 12 YO twit to tell me about changing weather patterns. Nor do I need a lecture on industry-driven obfuscation; I can talk all day about false information campaigns starting with the Boston Tea Party, running right through the useless bombings of the ball bearing factories of Schweinfurt (thanks, Sweden!), right up to the failure of the S54 motors in the E46 BMW. And I can intelligently talk about government obfuscation, fabrication, and data manipulation ad nauseam.

I have a right- no, a duty- to question what I'm told to believe. Sometimes the "info" is correct, sometimes it's not, and sometimes we'll never know. But it's my right to ask questions; when I get non-answers in return it brings into further question the authenticity of the data. Whether I believe the answer is one way or another, when the answer is avoided it leads me to be suspect, that's all.

Now y'all go on back to YouTube. I'm donning ECWS and Danners and going outside. In the mean time, if I didn't say it, don't report that I did- that's just fake news, and at least in USA it's illegal.

Chuck

The more I read posts like this the more delusional you climate extremists sound . Scary people.

While I assume this is said in jest, it is neither with foundation nor accurate. There has been no attempt by Trump or USGOV to sell coal to Vietnam. VN has the third largest coal operation in the world, and has yet to source coal from USA. If they did though, it would be cleaner coal than they are sourcing from China.

Who exactly are you accusing of calling the Vietnamese poor and lazy? What is your source?

The disinformation campaign doesn't establish credibility.

I'll just leave this here.

I love the Vietnamese. Hard working, highly intelligent, trustworthy.