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Post by lucanidae25 on Apr 9, 2011 20:50:01 GMT -8
Hexarthrius parryi x H. mandibularis 89mm (Sumatra, Indonesia)  |
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 10, 2011 9:23:28 GMT -8
Damn it, Raymond. I have been searching for this for ages. Is this the one that was described as andreasi, together with H. kirchneri, which is also rumoured to be a wild cross?
2 more months, and I am back into the hobby, wait and see, hahaha.
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Post by lucanidae25 on Apr 10, 2011 14:34:01 GMT -8
ha ha ha, yes it was decribed as H. kirchneri but end up to be a wild cross.  |
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 10, 2011 22:24:01 GMT -8
Any idea if that has been achieved in captivity yet? Somebody should really try ;-)
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Post by lucanidae25 on Apr 11, 2011 2:23:27 GMT -8
Don't think I've seen it from Japan yet.  I think you can only get F1 but not F2 because it's not a sp. |
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Post by bichos on Apr 11, 2011 4:49:53 GMT -8
Not really sure but I have a feeling crossing pure bred species is frowned upon in Japan  I don't know of any genera that are actually hybridised over there  nice specimen btw I remember how excited you were when you got it  |
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Post by Bugman on Apr 11, 2011 4:56:40 GMT -8
No breeders (In Germany and Japan) don't want hybrids! They are worthless because most of them aren't able to reproduce and our goal is to keep species and subspecies clean from hybrids.
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 11, 2011 6:19:36 GMT -8
Bugman, you are right that hybrid lines in breedings are not wanted, but personally I am quite interested in some of these. Especially the H. kirchneri looks amazing. I am with you that hybrids should never be on the list of breeders, but if it is mentioned and properly documented in the specimen data, there should be no issue.
I was quite amazed to see the Dynastes hercules x. granti crosses some time back. And as Raymond pointed out, crosses between species are often infertile, so it ends at F1.
Pity to what happened to the various Eudicellas, I guess it is almost impossible to get 'clean lines' for breedings. Man did I get pissed when I purchsed larvae of E. aethiopica and it turned out to be something else in it.
Raymond, is this the kirchneri or the andreasi?
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Cheers
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Post by lucanidae25 on Apr 11, 2011 6:22:20 GMT -8
I've seen cross between D. hercules and D. hyllus, another cross between D. curvidens hopei and D. curvidens binodulosus in Japan. I personially love hybrids, the stranger the better I'll say. I'm not really a breeder. ;D I am still excited now. I think it's Amazing!!!!!!!! Neither kirchneri or andreasi because it's not a sp and every single specimen is different. It could look like more parryi or mandibularis. |
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Post by dertodesking on Apr 15, 2011 5:25:49 GMT -8
Hey Benjamin! How badly do you want one of these? I see that Insect-Sale.com have an 87mm H. parryi x H. mandibularis wild cross up for sale...for the bargain price of $500 Simon |
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 15, 2011 6:08:58 GMT -8
Hahaha, Simon, urgently, but then again funds are an issue. Hoping for somebody to crossbreed them and then get them for a lower price ;-) Time will tell :-)
But they are very beautiful indeed, prefer the more yellowish specimen :-)
Cheers
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Post by dertodesking on Apr 15, 2011 7:01:08 GMT -8
Hahaha, Simon, urgently, but then again funds are an issue. I know that feeling ONLY too well Simon |
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 15, 2011 20:08:08 GMT -8
Yes, indeed. However, apart from a few species that I should have gotten when I was offered them, for example Goliathus albosignathus albosignathus, most species came down in the price after some time. As I said let's hope somebody crosses them while breeding. Worst comes worst, a trip to Indonesia might be unavoidable, hahaha. But funds...
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Post by lucanidae25 on Apr 15, 2011 23:58:48 GMT -8
Ben, You just have to do the cross yourself when you get back to Germany. But I still think it's so Amazing that it happens naturally and the odds are so amazingly small for the specimen to became a amago. |
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Post by poisonarrow on Apr 16, 2011 5:55:45 GMT -8
Raymond,
Yes, guess so ;-) Lot of breeding to catch up with, once I am back :-) Natural hybrids never cease to amaze me, as it is a very unlikely event. Anybody knows whether these are fertile or infertile? My guess would be infertile, but would be good to know
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