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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 27, 2020 23:44:21 GMT -8
I recently spent a week in florida visiting family and taking in the splendid weather. Whilst there I managed to stop in a curio shop one afternoon and found an attractive display with a thought provoking proclamation...   H'mmmmmm....... |
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 28, 2020 3:44:18 GMT -8
Did you take a photo of the small print next to it?
Chuck
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 28, 2020 8:23:53 GMT -8
Hello exoticimports, yes indeed I did manage a copy of the other adjoining signage which is posted below.  |
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Post by bobw on Oct 28, 2020 9:04:32 GMT -8
Where do they get this nonsense?
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Post by Paul K on Oct 28, 2020 9:42:49 GMT -8
Rubbish! 99% false information catered for ignorant public.
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Post by eurytides on Oct 28, 2020 9:47:53 GMT -8
I especially like the part where they say only 10% of the population are females. Doesn’t seem like the author paid attention during high school biology class.
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Post by kevinkk on Oct 28, 2020 16:02:11 GMT -8
Pretty amusing and mostly sad, because people who don't know better are going to believe it.
And, I'm sorry, but those butterflies were definitely harmed, otherwise they'd be alive, or in tatters,
and keeping a butterfly in a cage until it died even of natural causes, doesn't sound particularly benevolent.
Jane's Addiction- Idiots Rule. I'm sure other musicians have similar metaphoric offerings.
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Post by wingedwishes on Oct 28, 2020 18:56:42 GMT -8
If, through proper conservation and management, the sign read 'These butterfly species in frames help preserve the forest' then maybe. The other sign.....nope. It only helps reduce the number of little old (white - yes I said it) ladies accusing you of murder. Old men don't ever say it to me. Young people mostly ask about the impact of collecting. Harm is difficult to qualify - Death, human caused or not, is harmful to most isn't it?
I do have Monarchs and some others in my greenhouse. Yes, I find them dead but not 'ex pupae.' I also have a creek that I walk up in warmer months. I find dozens of small odonata drained of fluids and dropped at the base of webs. Already dead and literally 'degreased' for me. It seems sometimes the arachnid was hungry and did not want to wrap it for later. Anyway, Why it is ok to kill an insect using insecticides or the grill of a car but not a butterfly net is hypocritical.
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Post by wingedwishes on Oct 28, 2020 19:02:09 GMT -8
I just noticed that the farms are in Peru and Brazil. Really? Brazil?
So the sign is either incorrect or somebody is breaking the law.
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 29, 2020 3:39:32 GMT -8
I remember that false disclaimer, we must have been in the same shop.
Look guys, there's a thing called Creative License in marketing, which is leeway to stretch the truth.
In this case, the target buyer are twits AKA Karen and her husband Karen. They believe this disclaimer because they WANT to believe. They are willing to forgo the logical and obvious and believe.
So why not give them what they want? It's no different than what we read in the news. But in this case, it harms no one, harms no wildlife, doesn't change the situation.
Of course, it's not my style, but if it make people feel better and doesn't hurt anything, who cares?
Chuck
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Post by ron on Oct 29, 2020 9:30:08 GMT -8
Having a little framing activity, I constantly have to explain the origin of the specimens and how they are treated.
- Some species are breed, some other are wild caught.
- I know in my stocks what is breed, what is wild caught.
- I also know that some specimens are supposed to be breed but might as well be wild caught.
- All are killed to avoid damages on wings.
In my experience, the more honest you are, the better the people reacts, even if it’s not the reality they hopped for.
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Post by kevinkk on Oct 29, 2020 15:46:33 GMT -8
Sometime back in the olden days, I read there was once a device entomologists could attach to the front of their car to catch insects...
Perhaps people drove slower then.
I'll swerve, if I can, for a wolly bear, or squirrel, birds usually fly off- except for the other day, I nailed a pigeon that was in the road
and just wouldn't move, at the risk of offending breeders, they're pretty much flying rats anyway.
"Harmed" is a little subjective I suppose, and at the expense of listing dispatching methods. I'll leave that alone.
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Post by bandrow on Oct 31, 2020 6:51:48 GMT -8
Greetings,
I particularly like the part about predators in clear-cuts turning to butterflies as an "alternative food source" as if the predators never tried eating a butterfly (or caterpillar) before...
This screams of an anthropomorphic analogy to being at a Chinese buffet, and the crab legs run out, so the patron grabs a piece of pizza while waiting for more...
Cheers!
Bandrow
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Post by kevinkk on Oct 31, 2020 15:39:39 GMT -8
Greetings, I particularly like the part about predators in clear-cuts turning to butterflies as an "alternative food source" as if the predators never tried eating a butterfly (or caterpillar) before... This screams of an anthropomorphic analogy to being at a Chinese buffet, and the crab legs run out, so the patron grabs a piece of pizza while waiting for more... Cheers! Bandrow Don't most animals leave for better digs than hanging out in a clear cut anyway? Realistically, after a clear cut, it's as likely as not for more suitable plants for butterflies to start growing. I'm only familiar with clear cutting here in the northwest, maybe there's some other version. Here, it's piles of leftover brush and new growth like alder, elderberry, maple, the usual scrub and flowers. And we're back to the "want to believe" aspect of the sign. |
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Post by Paul K on Oct 31, 2020 16:34:29 GMT -8
Greetings, I particularly like the part about predators in clear-cuts turning to butterflies as an "alternative food source" as if the predators never tried eating a butterfly (or caterpillar) before... This screams of an anthropomorphic analogy to being at a Chinese buffet, and the crab legs run out, so the patron grabs a piece of pizza while waiting for more... Cheers! Bandrow Don't most animals leave for better digs than hanging out in a clear cut anyway? Realistically, after a clear cut, it's as likely as not for more suitable plants for butterflies to start growing. I'm only familiar with clear cutting here in the northwest, maybe there's some other version. Here, it's piles of leftover brush and new growth like alder, elderberry, maple, the usual scrub and flowers. And we're back to the "want to believe" aspect of the sign. Clear cut in tropics means only one thing: palm, rubber tree, rice or other crop plantation. Inhabitable zone for most of living species. I’ve been in such places and there is absolutely nothing alive inside those “forests” what ever species you may see are gathered in the ditch between road and a plantation where some wild plants and bushes can grow. |
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