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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 10, 2020 15:28:28 GMT -8
Here is my specimen of this extraordinary species -- Bhutan/1948 It easily ranks as one of the most extreme wing designs amongst butterflies...  |
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 10, 2020 19:01:51 GMT -8
Looks like mine. Haven’t seen it in a year. The way things have been going they’ll reclassify it as a beetle.
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Post by yorky on Nov 23, 2020 9:53:54 GMT -8
If you are a bit longer in the tooth as some of us are you will remember when lidderdali was quite affordable, thaidina very expensive and mansfieldi unobtainable. At a fair years ago I was fortunate enough to persuade a friend to sell me an ocellatomaculata from Thailand which I treasure.
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Post by Paul K on Nov 23, 2020 10:12:05 GMT -8
If you are a bit longer in the tooth as some of us are you will remember when lidderdali was quite affordable, thaidina very expensive and mansfieldi unobtainable. At a fair years ago I was fortunate enough to persuade a friend to sell me an ocellatomaculata from Thailand which I treasure. You should treasure it. Bhutanitis lidderdalii ocellatomaculata is believed to be extinct. |
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Post by yorky on Nov 23, 2020 10:26:03 GMT -8
Well I don't believe it's been seen since 1980 but I could be wrong.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 23, 2020 10:48:50 GMT -8
Recently, some Russian seller on Ebay was selling a male and female separately (of that subspecies). Last I looked the pricing was into the stratosphere.
I have desired thaidina but, alas have not found an acceptable specimen as yet.
Mansfieldi can be had but, for me it just somewhat lacks the "wow" that lidderdali and thaidina have...
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Post by yorky on Nov 23, 2020 10:56:53 GMT -8
Back in the day lidderdali could be had for £8, glad I'm not buying them now.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 23, 2020 12:42:03 GMT -8
Well I don't believe it's been seen since 1980 but I could be wrong. The very strong El Nino drought of April-May 1983 caused fires on Doi Chiang Dao that burnt the whole of the area where it lived, and it hasn't been seen since. Adam. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 23, 2020 14:48:36 GMT -8
Is there any real discernible difference in appearance between the Thai subspecies and my nominate example ?
When I saw the Russian sellers examples (though nice); they just did not justify the exorbitant cost...
I suppose to some specialists of things locality is most important even if the species offers nominal variation.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 24, 2020 2:00:00 GMT -8
The Thai subspecies is obviously distinct when you examine the pattern carefully. Here is a comparative figure of the 3 ssp. of lidderdalii from the excellent book on Parnassiinae excluding Parnassius (Bollino, M. & T. Racheli 2012. Bauer & Frankenbach (Eds.) Butterflies of the world. Supplement 20. Parnassiinae (Partim). Parnassiini (Partim), Luehdorfiini, Zerynthiini. Goecke & Evers, Keltern. 65 pp.)  Note particularly the extra line on the forewing (character A) of ocellatomaculata. Adam. |
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