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Post by trehopr1 on Jan 13, 2021 12:29:53 GMT -8
Thank you very much indeed 58chevy !
Your kind efforts are greatly appreciated
and I will post the pic's later tonight after work.
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Post by wingedwishes on Jan 13, 2021 15:11:46 GMT -8
So, now I have received and am drying the things that arrived. It appears that the red underside belongs to a zenobia. In fact, I received two red underside zenobia... Photos in a few days as drying occurs.
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Post by trehopr1 on Jan 13, 2021 22:03:31 GMT -8
Through the kind efforts of (58chevy) and his prompt response I am able to present a photograph which he sent to me this afternoon. It shows us the 3 specimens of T. zenobia which he has personally collected in Texas. Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Florida seem to be the states where this species is most often encountered. Other states that have recorded captures are but, a few, and those generally regard the species as a rare "stray". Through some readings and the first hand experience of a fellow collector who captured a stray; it seems this species appears only rarely elsewhere after a hurricane has come ashore and blown inland -- the moth being carried on the updrafts... A truly remarkable find indeed if you find it beyond the above mentioned states.  |
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Post by wingedwishes on Jan 19, 2021 13:24:33 GMT -8
 Ok - So the Moth I have from Belize is a Thysania zenobia. Here are a series of quick photos of my red underside one. |
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Post by wingedwishes on Jan 19, 2021 13:25:49 GMT -8
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Post by wingedwishes on Jan 19, 2021 13:27:14 GMT -8
 Have any of you found one with this red coloration? I cannot find photos on the web showing this. The camera flash washes out the red somewhat. Perhaps they are more red when caught but fade over time? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:38:36 GMT -8
Here is my zenobia caught in Aug. 2007 in northern IL while slopping for Catocalas. Interestingly, I managed to also collect two more A. odoratas last summer.....one from TN and one from IL. I’ve now caught 10...2 in TN, 2 in IL and 6 in AZ.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 14:39:44 GMT -8
Here is the verso of the zenobia. It seems to have a fair amount of red.  |
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Post by wingedwishes on Jan 19, 2021 15:39:01 GMT -8
Here is the verso of the zenobia. It seems to have a fair amount of red. View AttachmentI've only found 5 odorata in my life. They seem to have been more numerous this past year. That one has red. I'm now thinking the photos on the web wash out the red with a flash. Mine has more red than the photo shows, Thanks Bill! |
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 19, 2021 18:31:27 GMT -8
My specimens have only a slight hint of red, a little less than Bill Garthe's. Maybe something in the diet of the larvae from Belize gives them the red color.
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Post by foxxdoc on Jan 20, 2021 11:34:04 GMT -8
while foodplants can certainly cause color variation I think I would look further. DNA analysis at U. of Florida ; possibly something better than a color variance.
TOM
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Post by evra on Jan 20, 2021 18:39:41 GMT -8
Nice specimens. Another stray in the Catocalines that no one ever seems to mention is Hypocala andremona, which I used to think was very rare until a big influx of them happened in 2016. I haven’t seen one since. Not quite as showy, but still nice.
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 21, 2021 10:23:35 GMT -8
Evra, where did the big influx of H. andremona occur?
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Post by evra on Jan 24, 2021 11:31:30 GMT -8
SE Arizona, they were all over one year. A. odorata is usually much more common, to the point where I don’t bother collecting them unless it’s a very nice specimen.
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