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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 6:25:04 GMT -8
Very true indeed Gaspipe. I don't net Catocala for the same reason. Nothing worse than a otherwise perfect specimen with a orange bald spot on its thorax from going ballistic in a net.
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Post by leptraps on Jan 27, 2021 6:35:54 GMT -8
I use Potassium Cyanide Killing Jars. I make new jars just about every year. The knock down works very quickly.
When I rear specimens, I dispatch them in my freezer.
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Post by jhyatt on Jan 27, 2021 6:43:01 GMT -8
In Tennessee I often see P. sennae eubule in the back yard, nectaring on butterfly bush and zinnia flowers, especially in the morning. And in
coastal GA I see lots of them on flowers early in the day, mostly on morning glory flowers. Later in the day they seem to be more active and wary, but
I've never found it hard to nab a few if I had any use for them - which I haven't in years. Maybe you all just need to go after them earlier on a hot sunny morning.
Cheers,
jh
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 27, 2021 9:03:26 GMT -8
P. sennae is attracted to anything red. I've seen them bump into stop signs and car taillights. They like Turk's Cap flowers (red) and red hibiscus. Maybe placing a red object on the ground or using a red flag would make them easier to catch. I've caught lots of them on Turk's Cap. Just stand nearby and wait for it to feed. It will usually stay there long enough for you to make the capture.
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Post by gaspipe on Jan 27, 2021 14:27:45 GMT -8
P. sennae is attracted to anything red. I've seen them bump into stop signs and car taillights. They like Turk's Cap flowers (red) and red hibiscus. Maybe placing a red object on the ground or using a red flag would make them easier to catch. I've caught lots of them on Turk's Cap. Just stand nearby and wait for it to feed. It will usually stay there long enough for you to make the capture. Ok you’ve settled it I will wear my Santa Claus outfit this season when collecting. |
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Post by leptraps on Feb 8, 2021 4:45:50 GMT -8
The late Jack Hienrich of Fort Myers, Florida used a little trick I have tried more than once. Jack would use yellow and orange colored paper and draw the outline of Phoebis sennae and cut them out. He would place his cut outs in the sun a short distance from the shade. He would then place his lawn chair under the shade of a tree and wait for Phoebis sennae to come check out the decoys. He also used white paper for Aphrissa staria floridensis and even a few Appias drusilla poeyi.
Jack had the patience, but he had a nice series of Aphrissa staria floridensis.
At one time Jack lived in The Ivory Coast in Africa (A missionary??) and he used this method with numerous species.
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Post by oslari on May 17, 2021 10:08:41 GMT -8
Probably Calosaturnia males.
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Post by thejsonboss on May 19, 2021 13:45:20 GMT -8
Erebia magdalena has been my hardest. Trying not to bust your tailbone on a rockslide while chasing a fast weary flier is something I felt very stupid doing. I caught one and that may be all I'll ever catch. Sennae is definitely difficult, the only ones I've caught were landing on bushes to hide from clouds or on turk's cap.
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Post by papiliotheona on May 21, 2021 19:34:25 GMT -8
Papilio glaucus at the wrong time of the day/year. I hate it when they don't come down to the ground. I got a few Anaea andria using a net. You can sneak up on them. That didn't compare to Charaxes jasius in Europe when you only have a net. You basically need bait for Anaea or to rear them. It takes a lot of luck to get them with your net. |
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Post by papiliotheona on May 21, 2021 19:37:20 GMT -8
Speaking of only netting, I have six real tough ones. I realize some are best caught w bait, but the question was for the netting of. Butterflies........ Junonia evarete nigrosuffusa,........fast, lands on ground and is very weary Eunica tatila,.......lands on 1-2” wide tree trunks which is hard to sneak up on and one has to double net from front and behind trunk Phoebis philea,....fast and flies high only occasionally landing on flowers Hypaurotis crysalus,......flies fast and high able to be brought down only with a purple flag Marpesia petreus.........in any good condition prior to or after netting. Moths....... tapping for Catocala atocala........hard to sneak up to and is fast and weary/tough to follow if disturbed. Crysalus is easy for me if you beat them out of the oak bushes in the morning or early afternoon and sometimes they can be readily caught during the afternoon flight when they are zipping around too. I agree on most of the others, albeit I have never had E. tatila and have only ever had one petreus (which I actually bagged with a lot of strategizing). |
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Post by papiliotheona on May 21, 2021 21:09:17 GMT -8
Here are mine, and also some commentary on some of the other common suggestions that came up in this thread. Note that I won't really count wary species that are readily reared such as Megathymus sp. and Phoebis sennae (although honestly, I don't find the latter that hard). Some of the Agathymus also like A. neumoegeni and alliae are well nigh impossible but generally those are reared, not pursued with a net. Some of them you need a live female to rear from generally so there is no way around netting.
I don't find sennae all that challenging (albeit my marcellina in the west might be more laid-back than eubule in the SE, I don't know). J. nigrosuffusa is a pain, but far from the worst. O. chryxus complex such as ivallda are more difficult in terms of access than actual netting (males are kind of wary but stick around in a small area on a peak--females are tougher). E. magdalena isn't hard if you are in the right place of the scree.
--Just about any hilltopping black swallowtail is hard, especially without nectar, especially since these summits and ridges are usually extremely windy.
--Atrytonopsis sp. are always "fun".
--Viceroys are often out over the edge of water.
--At least half the time, Hesperia sp. give me fits.
--Apodemia mormo complex can be quite the headache when they wish to be, particularly when fresh and most desirable.
--Most any large spread-winged desert skipper in an open sunny wash, not at mud, with the exception of Erynnis, is a "good luck with that" proposition.
--Without an extremely attractive nectar source such as marsh thistle, Anteos sulphurs, at least in AZ, are a lepidopterist's worst nightmare.
--My all-time worst nemesis is probably Paratrytone snowi. How the heck does any human being get within 30' of that thing???
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Post by papiliotheona on May 21, 2021 21:22:53 GMT -8
P. sennae is attracted to anything red. I've seen them bump into stop signs and car taillights. They like Turk's Cap flowers (red) and red hibiscus. Maybe placing a red object on the ground or using a red flag would make them easier to catch. I've caught lots of them on Turk's Cap. Just stand nearby and wait for it to feed. It will usually stay there long enough for you to make the capture. Some swallowtails are like this too, I have seen P. eurymedon and zelicaon quite smitten with road signs. |
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