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Post by gaspipe on Jan 24, 2021 8:36:02 GMT -8
On the topic of netting stuff ( not over bait) what do you veterans think are the most difficult NA species to net ? My white whale to date has been the clouded sulphur ; in the last 3 years I’ve only managed 4 !
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 24, 2021 10:32:36 GMT -8
Papilio glaucus at the wrong time of the day/year. I hate it when they don't come down to the ground.
I got a few Anaea andria using a net. You can sneak up on them. That didn't compare to Charaxes jasius in Europe when you only have a net.
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Post by evra on Jan 24, 2021 11:33:52 GMT -8
Any Megathymus for butterflies, and any dayflying Hemileuca or Calosaturnia for moths.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 11:44:39 GMT -8
Hands down Anaea andria for me are the hardest to net. I've missed way more than I've netted.
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Post by jhyatt on Jan 24, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -8
Well, Anaea andria is baitable, so you don't have to net them... I usually can find P. glaucus on or near the ground; for me the tough one was P. appachiensis. I got to Spruce Knob, WVA, once when they were plentiful, but were all nectaring on the flowers of blooming hawthorn trees. Not for nothing is "thorn" in the name of that tree! You could see the bugs sitting there feeding, but the flowers were all in places where swinging a net was impossible without snagging it on a long thorn, and out came the butterfly. Very frustrating! Took me forever to get a modest series.
Also, once on Stock Island in the FL Keys, Chlorostrymon maesites was flying and landing in tall treetops, far beyond any net at hand. They looked like little bees way up there. I spend all day getting a pair, but it was worth it!
Cheers, jh
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Post by leptraps on Jan 24, 2021 16:11:22 GMT -8
I am absolutely positive that John Hyatt will agree with me 100%. Chlorostrymon maesites. In 1972(??) we journeyed to the Florida Keys to collect Lepidoptera. We visited the Old Botanical Garden on Stock Island, the last Key before Key West. To truly appreciate the list of Hairstreaks we collected from the tops of tree with extension net 30 to 40 feet in length. You had to be there.
There was a strip joint with young ladies and a total lack of clothing.
What a collecting trip. John Hyatt, your turn to speak up. Who stepped on the dead Porpoises?
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Post by 777 on Jan 24, 2021 21:47:52 GMT -8
The species I struggle to find the most is the common mestra. I've only seen one three years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 21:49:02 GMT -8
Speaking of only netting, I have six real tough ones. I realize some are best caught w bait, but the question was for the netting of.
Butterflies........ Junonia evarete nigrosuffusa,........fast, lands on ground and is very weary Eunica tatila,.......lands on 1-2” wide tree trunks which is hard to sneak up on and one has to double net from front and behind trunk Phoebis philea,....fast and flies high only occasionally landing on flowers Hypaurotis crysalus,......flies fast and high able to be brought down only with a purple flag Marpesia petreus.........in any good condition prior to or after netting.
Moths....... tapping for Catocala atocala........hard to sneak up to and is fast and weary/tough to follow if disturbed.
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 25, 2021 10:16:11 GMT -8
Anaea andria, Alypia octomaculata, Eurytides marcellus, Phoebis sennae
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Post by trehopr1 on Jan 25, 2021 11:25:04 GMT -8
I feel that "generally speaking" amongst butterflies most Nymphalidae as a family are the most difficult to "net". Without the use of baits (whichever one you may use); they nearly always are the most wary of butterflies.
In my personal experiences with the net I have found Eurytides marcellus, Phoebis philea and Phoebis sennae all to be of unusual difficulty in securing a capture.
Heck, I have even had some tough times attempting to net Question marks, Comma's, and Red-spotted Purples specifically. And they have a times "won" the battle and lived to fly another day !
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Post by leptraps on Jan 25, 2021 11:36:38 GMT -8
Love my Bait Traps!!
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Post by jhyatt on Jan 25, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -8
Leroy's memory is basically correct - he was with the group on Stock Island when the Chlorostrymon maesites were flying only in the treetops. Somewhere I have a 35mm slide of Dave Baggett or somebody with one of the immensely tall extension nets we had.
The dead porpoise episode was on the way back to TN from the Keys. Near Darien, GA we stopped to collect in a tidal marsh where the rare skippers Problema bulenta and Euphyes dukesi were flying, along with a vast horde of Poanes viator. One had to wade to take specimens off the blooming pickerel weed, and while totally focused on a distant skipper, I stepped smack dab in the middle of a rotted dead baby porpoise. Unbelievable stench! My boots were a discard, and the jeans I had on came home with the end of the legs flapping outside the trunk of the car. Missed the skipper, too.
Another tough bug for me to net: Oeneis jutta. The one time I encountered them, they were landing only on small evergreen trunks, and the limb growth was so thick that getting a net near them was impossible. Getting a little series took a huge amount of work.
Cheers, jh
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Post by jhyatt on Jan 25, 2021 12:16:41 GMT -8
Bill Garth,
Apropos' to H. chrysalus: The one time I encountered them in numbers (it was outside the Air Force Academy near Colorado Springs, they were landing and sitting as nice as you please on low foliage of Gambel's Oaks on a dry hillside - both males and females. Easy-peasy. I guess almost nothing is hard to net at all places at all times!
That was about the ugliest place I've ever encountered a really beautiful and much sought-after butterfly. It was a hillside power line cut next to a busy interstate, dry as could be. Looked like Afghanistan or some similar place!
jh
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Post by 58chevy on Jan 25, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -8
777,
The "common mestra" is in fact very common in the southern part of TX (LRGV up to San Antonio, even Austin on occasion). They are slow, lazy fliers & easy to capture. The wings are very delicate, so you need to catch lots of them in order to get a few good specimens.
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Post by gaspipe on Jan 25, 2021 16:57:24 GMT -8
Anaea andria, Alypia octomaculata, Eurytides marcellus, Phoebis sennae Couldn’t agree with you more on E marcellus, not only fast , erratic and high flyers ya gotta worry about breaking those beautiful tails . My plan this year is too locate a bunch , obtain some good old horse manure and sit ; yeah I know that’s kind of cheating .
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