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Post by wollastoni on Aug 1, 2021 1:27:39 GMT -8
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Post by 58chevy on Aug 1, 2021 10:01:10 GMT -8
As of Aug. 1, I haven't received anything.
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Post by boghaunter1 on Aug 1, 2021 10:46:03 GMT -8
Also absolutely nothing as of today 01 Aug. 2021 (14 months still waiting...)
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 1, 2021 11:06:03 GMT -8
This has been pretty well spelled out. Please let us know Wollastoni when and what the ultimate action has been taken.
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Post by yorky on Aug 1, 2021 11:18:58 GMT -8
You won't get a refund, you were never going to get a refund, most likely you will never hear from him again, just chalk the whole sorry affair down to experience. He has had months to make good, told lie after lie, excuse after excuse but all with the same result, some on here will still defend the indefensible but in reality there is no excuse whatsoever.
He has been given a thousand (1,000) opportunities to come good, it's not going to happen.
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Post by wollastoni on Aug 2, 2021 3:28:56 GMT -8
Thank you for your feedback 58chevy and boghaunter1Leroy, you had plenty of time to make things right and you decided not to. You are now banned of the Insectnet Forum for scamming other members. It is a pity but we can't accept such behaviour. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 2, 2021 6:23:21 GMT -8
Sad to see it come to this, but there's only one person to blame. Leroy's knowledge will be missed, but other members will no doubt be able to fill the gap.
Adam.
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Post by eurytides on Aug 2, 2021 17:31:46 GMT -8
Leroy was and is an excellent field entomologist and he had a lot of practical knowledge due to his decades of travelling and collecting (i.e. I collected this, saw this, raised this, when and where). His collection is certainly impressive. However, I did not find him overly knowledgeable in terms of the scientific aspects of entomology. Just recently he claimed P. glaucus diapause as larvae and that canadensis and glaucus were the same species even though canadensis was elevated to species status 30 years ago. Sometimes I wonder if he reads any up to date scientific articles at all.
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Post by exoticimports on Aug 3, 2021 11:23:13 GMT -8
I think it's fair to have some compassion for those who are 78 years old. Memories aren't what they used to be. In the case of Leroy, the loss of his wife has left him unable to complete transactions, though he finds time to take his mind off it by field work. That's a sure sign of clinical depression. That doesn't solve any problems for buyers or those who rely on him, but it does explain why an intelligent, experience man fails to perform. So in that as well I feel for him.
I think he's not being fraudulent, or in any way crooked, he believes what he promises, he believes his problems are a reasonable excuse; I've seen this many times, and it's sad. My ex-wife would look at me and insist she'd put the gambling money back in the bank, and that she'd paid daycare, and she absolutely believed herself. She blamed everyone but herself for all manner of unfortunate events. She was, of course, wrong. It's mental illness.
Well, I wish Leroy the best. I hope he makes some good decisions to clean up the owed products and shutter LepTraps so he can enjoy his field studies.
Chuck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 11:27:30 GMT -8
I think it's fair to have some compassion for those who are 78 years old. Memories aren't what they used to be. In the case of Leroy, the loss of his wife has left him unable to complete transactions, though he finds time to take his mind off it by field work. That's a sure sign of clinical depression. That doesn't solve any problems for buyers or those who rely on him, but it does explain why an intelligent, experience man fails to perform. So in that as well I feel for him. I think he's not being fraudulent, or in any way crooked, he believes what he promises, he believes his problems are a reasonable excuse; I've seen this many times, and it's sad. My ex-wife would look at me and insist she'd put the gambling money back in the bank, and that she'd paid daycare, and she absolutely believed herself. She blamed everyone but herself for all manner of unfortunate events. She was, of course, wrong. It's mental illness. Well, I wish Leroy the best. I hope he makes some good decisions to clean up the owed products and shutter LepTraps so he can enjoy his field studies. Chuck Nicely said Chuck. +1 |
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Post by eurytides on Aug 3, 2021 12:25:19 GMT -8
I agree Chuck. He is not a young bird and has had his share of tragedies. Having said that, the monetary loss of the other forum members is equally real and distressing. I feel sympathy for both sides. Having said that, he still visited the forum and joked around and posted comments. In that time, he could have just refunded the 2 individuals. He has had more than 6 months, right?
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Post by papiliotheona on Aug 8, 2021 15:46:42 GMT -8
Leroy was and is an excellent field entomologist and he had a lot of practical knowledge due to his decades of travelling and collecting (i.e. I collected this, saw this, raised this, when and where). His collection is certainly impressive. However, I did not find him overly knowledgeable in terms of the scientific aspects of entomology. Just recently he claimed P. glaucus diapause as larvae and that canadensis and glaucus were the same species even though canadensis was elevated to species status 30 years ago. Sometimes I wonder if he reads any up to date scientific articles at all. I don't care about what he did, or what he bragged about supposedly collecting... if the guy is a scammer and a con job, good riddance to his arse. |
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Post by eurytides on Aug 9, 2021 5:41:45 GMT -8
Papiliotheona, I don’t disagree. I was commenting on the post saying his knowledge will be missed. That’s a separate issue from the refunds.
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Post by rayrard on Aug 9, 2021 10:36:48 GMT -8
Even suffering from depression or similar mental illness, that shouldn't prevent one from delivering a product that was paid for. And even if you forget or slacked off once or twice, the reminder emails or phone calls should be enough to complete the transaction especially for a veteran business owner. How this could be dragged along for months when you've been paid hundreds of dollars for a product you make is inexplicable for me. Maybe LepTraps had to make the bait trap and he was unable to do the work, but then any competent business owner shouldn't sell what he is unwilling or unable to build. At at worst take the payment AFTER the trap is built to save the buyer the hassle.
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Post by wingedwishes on Aug 9, 2021 11:29:24 GMT -8
Wrong behavior to be sure. Down playing the seriousness of mental illness is also bad behavior albeit an un related one. I’m sure that was not the intention but the words as written can cause one to think we are callous toward mental difficulty. Through private messages and personal experience I think I may possibly see this differently. Unfortunately things are ending the way they are. Can we remain civil about it?
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