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Post by thejsonboss on May 18, 2021 18:01:43 GMT -8
Is anyone aware of laws regarding export of specimens from El salvador? I have in laws there who tell me that it's legal to collect, but do not know of any export permits required. It would be for personal purposes.
Thanks
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Post by nomihoudai on May 18, 2021 19:45:22 GMT -8
I have sent you the email of what looks to be the largest exporter of butterfly pupae and dried specimen in El Salvador since over 15 years. Maybe they can answer your questions or help you.
Every country has different laws on different levels. For example Costa Rica does have official butterfly breeders/houses and they do export large amounts of butterfly pupae under government licenses, but, if the MINAE (
Ministerio de Ambiente y Energía) catches you as a private person you will have a hard time and risk large fines and potentially jail depending on what you did.
Also the information that local people give you can be conflicting. My Indian friends knew that I like butterflies and they told me that they as kids would like to catch them. But according to law you risk huge fines as they are protected. It's not enforced on local children, but on Westerners at the airport it will be when found out.
In any case I think that your issues will be less from the El Salvadorian side, it will be from USFWS. You will need form 3-177 for imports and I think there was a yearly license associated with it that you need to purchase.
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Post by wingedwishes on May 18, 2021 20:15:34 GMT -8
If all for personal use then USFW may elect to not charge a permit as you would not be commercial. File form 3-177 and call them. To me, they were helpful with a delivery from China.
Cheers,
Tyson
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Post by nomihoudai on May 18, 2021 20:17:52 GMT -8
If all for personal use then USFW may elect to not charge a permit as you would not be commercial. File form 3-177 and call them. To me, they were helpful with a delivery from China. Cheers, Tyson This is good to know and hear. |
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Post by thejsonboss on May 28, 2021 13:44:32 GMT -8
I received an email from a local exporter that collecting and exporting in El Salvador is legal, however you of course still need the import permits in your country
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Post by thejsonboss on Apr 29, 2022 11:28:26 GMT -8
If all for personal use then USFW may elect to not charge a permit as you would not be commercial. File form 3-177 and call them. To me, they were helpful with a delivery from China. Cheers, Tyson Have tried multiple times to get ahold of USFW about import permits and the people/departments I've been forwarded to never answer calls or emails. Yikes. |
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 30, 2022 18:48:12 GMT -8
I suspect in the craziness that is the political environments of the United States today they may feel they have more important things to do. Find out what permits you need from the country of origin and make multiple copies of them. Fill out U.S. Fish and Wildlife 3–1 77. Declare them. Then maybe you will have little trouble. Maybe. I learned from my code enforcement officer days but it really depends on the officer and what kind of day that officer was having. Sometimes you encounter what’s called the Jonwayne syndrome and God help you if that happens. In a case like that the officer doesn’t care whether or not you’re following the rules, they just want to exert their dominance over you. My experience has been that those constitute about 5% to 15% of the officers. When I was an officer my goal was to resolve a problem not cause one. Those are the kinds of officers you want to interact with but you don’t get to choose. If you can travel under the auspice is of a school then your difficulties are usually reduced. I’ll post more later in a day or two as I am helping a friend build a fish room to breed tropical fish and I have spotty Internet service out here in the way yonder Prairie
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Post by thejsonboss on May 4, 2022 10:23:32 GMT -8
I suspect in the craziness that is the political environments of the United States today they may feel they have more important things to do. Find out what permits you need from the country of origin and make multiple copies of them. Fill out U.S. Fish and Wildlife 3–1 77. Declare them. Then maybe you will have little trouble. Maybe. I learned from my code enforcement officer days but it really depends on the officer and what kind of day that officer was having. Sometimes you encounter what’s called the Jonwayne syndrome and God help you if that happens. In a case like that the officer doesn’t care whether or not you’re following the rules, they just want to exert their dominance over you. My experience has been that those constitute about 5% to 15% of the officers. When I was an officer my goal was to resolve a problem not cause one. Those are the kinds of officers you want to interact with but you don’t get to choose. If you can travel under the auspice is of a school then your difficulties are usually reduced. I’ll post more later in a day or two as I am helping a friend build a fish room to breed tropical fish and I have spotty Internet service out here in the way yonder Prairie I finally got a response after another attempt. Looks like as long as I avoid CITES appendix I species that form will cover it for sure for importing specifically. Thanks. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 4, 2022 11:13:02 GMT -8
If you try to import CITES appendix II species without genuine CITES papers from the exporting country you WILL get arrested. Better avoid anything listed on CITES at all.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on May 4, 2022 16:00:27 GMT -8
I don't recall that there is anything flying in Salvador covered by CITES, is there.
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Post by livingplanet3 on May 4, 2022 16:55:19 GMT -8
I don't recall that there is anything flying in Salvador covered by CITES, is there. I just checked the CITES listings, and there are currently no (naturally occurring) insect species covered by CITES in El Salvador. Presently, the only three insect species in the Americas classified under CITES Appendicies I & II are Dynastes satanas, Papilio homerus and Parides burchellanus. Three nymphalid butterflies (all from Bolivia) are listed under CITES Appendix III. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 4, 2022 23:38:29 GMT -8
I agree, there are no CITES II species in El Salvador, but someone might read the statement I replied to and think that the same applies worldwide.
Adam.
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Post by livingplanet3 on May 5, 2022 11:17:18 GMT -8
I agree, there are no CITES II species in El Salvador, but someone might read the statement I replied to and think that the same applies worldwide. Adam. True - always research all documentation & permit requirements (for both countries) before doing any importing, and don't take any risks, regardless of whether CITES will be involved (but if any CITES species are involved, it's especially important to ensure that all legal issues are properly covered). |
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Post by wingedwishes on May 6, 2022 14:17:15 GMT -8
I understand CITES insects I come across are not found in Belize either. Macrodontis cervicornis is not allowed to be brought into the USA (as told to me by another collector) as it is protected outside of CITES. My sources for them are drying up.
Ev en following the rules and doing the paperwork isn't foolproof. If a USFWS individual 'thinks' you may have mis identified just one species, he/she can stop the travel of the package to have someone from a university come to verify them. Can take days (or weeks sometimes)
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Post by papiliotheona on May 11, 2022 22:53:10 GMT -8
My understanding is that most if not all Latin American countries require you to be under the permit of a government-sponsored university researcher to collect. This is doable for some countries, extremely difficult for others (like Mexico). If El Salvador is one of the "easy" countries I'd gladly plan out a trip there at some point.
USFWS requires a valid collecting AND export permit for every nation (or letter stating that those aren't necessary if applicable), plus a formal declaration of possession upon arrival with Customs.
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