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Post by yorky on May 25, 2021 10:41:40 GMT -8
Another from the Adam Cotton school of excellence, Papilio machaon melitensis (Malta) x hippocrates (Japan)  |
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Post by yorky on May 25, 2021 10:58:27 GMT -8
Papilio polytes romulus x alphenor ledebouria  |
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Post by yorky on May 27, 2021 4:12:23 GMT -8
Papilio alphenor ledebouria forms side by side  |
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Post by exoticimports on May 27, 2021 4:40:09 GMT -8
I only have one hybrid, machaon x hospiton from a very old collection. Don't know what to do with the darned thing.  |
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Post by wollastoni on May 27, 2021 5:44:15 GMT -8
You can resell half of it  No idea of the legal status of an hybrid between a common species ( machaon) and a common protected species ( hospiton)... Knowing hybrids cannot have descendance, their protection would be ridiculous. But you never know (especially in the USA...) They are not so rare, as machaon and hospiton naturally hydridizes in Corsica and Sardinia. |
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Post by exoticimports on May 27, 2021 6:22:44 GMT -8
From a CITES perspective, a hybrid is definitely NOT either of the parents, so both logically and legally it is not protected under CITES. If a genus is protected, and both parents are of that genus, I suppose it would fall under CITES. A similar incident happened in 2006 when an American hunter shot a "polar bear" (which is CITES II). It turned out it was a hybrid. www.heraldnet.com/news/hunter-bags-rare-hybrid-polar-bear/I am personally familiar with this incident. What the article doesn't say is that Canada Natural Resources seized the corpse (or at least part of it) and made noise about the hunter having violated the law and threatened arrest. In the end, virtually everyone (hunters, guides, scientists, Native Americans, etc.) supported the hunter (as did, ultimately, the court) and Canada NRD was told to go stuff it, and had to return the trophy. I think Canada NRD simply wanted it to show off (kinda like Tyrannosaurus Sue) and found some way to try to leverage government might to steal it. So there is some precedent. On hospiton and machaon hybrids, I recall BMNH has a whole drawer full of them. I got mine from an old collection that was being broken up, and grabbed it simply to avoid it going to wall art. It's gotta go, as does a bunch of material not required for research, I just haven't had time to arrange deposit to a museum or serious collector. Now that I think of it, I have a whole bunch of stuff I saved from old collections, and it eats up a lot of drawer space; I did a good thing and now am paying the price. Chuck |
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Post by bobw on May 27, 2021 6:47:29 GMT -8
I know of people who have got eggs from a hospiton female and all the offspring have turned out to be hybrids. It's very obvious from the larvae as they are exactly intermediate between hospiton and machaon.
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Post by yorky on May 27, 2021 7:55:22 GMT -8
My pair  |
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Post by radusho on May 27, 2021 8:15:03 GMT -8
You can resell half of it No idea of the legal status of an hybrid between a common species ( machaon) and a common protected species ( hospiton)... Knowing hybrids cannot have descendance, their protection would be ridiculous. But you never know (especially in the USA...) They are not so rare, as machaon and hospiton naturally hydridizes in Corsica and Sardinia. Im EU all the hybrids of CITES app. A species protected as any other appendix A species (hospiton, apollo) |
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