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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 8, 2021 15:41:20 GMT -8
Has anyone done any digging on this bug? Seems no records since the 90s save for a sighting record in the 2000s. Would be interesting to research.
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Post by livingplanet3 on Jun 8, 2021 17:00:00 GMT -8
I've heard of this species, but if I ever saw one, I'd probably just mistake it for Papilio polyxenes asterius.
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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 8, 2021 18:03:03 GMT -8
Seems like they would be neigh impossible to tell on the wing but pinned specimens are identifiable
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Post by leptraps on Jun 9, 2021 3:36:00 GMT -8
I am going to age myself with this one. When "John" Richard Heitzmann published the Butterflies and Moths of Missouri, it was the accumulation of a life's work.
I only met him and his wife once in the late 1970's.I have an autographed copy of his book: Butterflies and Moths of Missouri by Richard J. Heitzman [Richard J. Heitzman;Joan E. Heitzman].
Richard was a great Lepidopterist.
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 9, 2021 4:38:12 GMT -8
Interesting observation. Butterfliesandmoths does indeed have only a few photographic records which are a few years old, and there are zero records on iNaturalist.
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Post by eurytides on Jun 9, 2021 4:52:30 GMT -8
I also checked inaturalist and noticed the same thing. How are joanae specimens distinguished from polyxenes?
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Post by leptraps on Jun 9, 2021 5:39:22 GMT -8
I have specimens from several locations in Missouri. I only collected a total of five (5) specimens.
On my way out west one early July, I stopped at the Type Locality. Went down swinging.....
I was told several years ago they were all Papilio polyxenes asterius.
I have no dog in this fight. Papilio polyxenes asterius works best for me.
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 9, 2021 5:42:27 GMT -8
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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 9, 2021 7:10:10 GMT -8
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Post by Paul K on Jun 9, 2021 7:29:15 GMT -8
Black dot in the orange spot. P.polyxenes is centred, P.joanae touches the edge, not centred. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 9, 2021 7:37:36 GMT -8
The left hand photo of a recent specimen submitted to the page as "verified" is Papilio polyxenes, not joanae. Note particularly the centred hindwing eyespot 'pupil' and the reduced forewing band. It is a pity that this taxon has not been seen for a long time. Adam. |
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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 9, 2021 7:46:35 GMT -8
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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 9, 2021 8:05:14 GMT -8
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Post by thejsonboss on Jun 9, 2021 8:29:22 GMT -8
mis ID on BoA? Say it ai'nt so
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Post by Paul K on Jun 9, 2021 8:39:12 GMT -8
Yes, I think this is P.polyxenes although record says it is ex Ova specimen |
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