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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 28, 2022 15:09:33 GMT -8
With spring just around the corner I thought it would be nice if some of our membership could dazzle us with some of their "special" Agrias holdings. A great way to cheer up another long (balmy) winter for most of us.
I'm not looking necessarily to see any drawers of these things as most of us mere mortals have probably at best only got I (half) dozen or so. However, if you have something special to share whether it be your first specimen, your best one, or something in between then give us all a look at what you have found !
We have all seen our share of hybrids these last 2 years and although they can be exceptional; I would prefer to see only that which naturally occurs in the outdoors.
Of course there's nothing wrong in showing us any honest aberrations you may have run across in the various species.
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Post by livingplanet3 on Feb 28, 2022 18:41:20 GMT -8
I was in fact thinking of posting a few photos of some Agrias/Prepona specimens that I've acquired lately, and will plan to do so, shortly. In the meantime, here's a photo of an Agrias amydon larva -  Due to their popularity with collectors, there are countless photos of Agrias butterflies (including a seemingly endless number of variations of various hybrids), but images of the larvae seem to be few and far between, despite the fact that many Agrias have been reared in captivity. Also - a photo of a Prepona larva:  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 28, 2022 19:09:16 GMT -8
Thank you indeed for posting those. I can't say that I have ever seen photos of the larvae of these butterflies.
That prepona larvae is especially cool !
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Post by Paul K on Feb 28, 2022 20:43:22 GMT -8
Agrias is the genus of the past, all species now are Prepona genus.
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Post by livingplanet3 on Feb 28, 2022 21:11:30 GMT -8
Agrias is the genus of the past, all species now are Prepona genus. While it may be that Agrias and Prepona are indeed biologically synonymous, has this recent taxonomic change been universally accepted (as is the case with ruteline scarabs of the genera Plusiotis / Chrysina)? I still regularly see Chrysina being referred to as Plusiotis, despite the fact that the taxonomic revision was made over 20 years ago. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 28, 2022 21:35:50 GMT -8
I concur with livingplanet3. In fact, I regularly see various Agrias sold on eBay as Agrias; usually by European or Japanese sellers. The same with prepona as they are sold as prepona (this or that).
Nobody goes about calling an Agrias narcissus a Prepona narcissus !
If the specialists want to see them as one in the same then they can have it that way.
I chose to use the term Agrias in my thread so that those who wanted to post pictures would only show Agrias specimens.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 1, 2022 0:31:52 GMT -8
I am not sure how they resolved the classification of Prepona once they discovered that Agrias is internal to the genus. Possibly Agrias is now considered as a subgenus of Prepona. Anyway, for discussion purposes there is no problem calling them Agrias if people understand that they are classified within Prepona. Certainly in this thread the name is useful to differentiate them.
Adam.
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Post by hewi on Mar 1, 2022 4:23:18 GMT -8
a particularly beautiful pair of A. sahlkei lecerfi |
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Post by hewi on Mar 1, 2022 4:29:32 GMT -8
two variations of A. phalcidon fournierae |
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 1, 2022 5:16:29 GMT -8
Wonderful !
Can we have the form names of these 2 fournierae, Manfred ?
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Post by Paul K on Mar 1, 2022 6:28:18 GMT -8
Nobody goes about calling an Agrias narcissus a Prepona narcissus ! Actually I do. I changed label while I was respreading all my specimens on stainless steel pins few years ago. This is the only specimen of Prepona ( Agrias ) I have in my collection as I usually don't buy specimens with some exceptions. This one I collected in the bait trap while I was staying in French Guiana. Duration of my trip was in rainy season and butterflies were in low numbers. Certainly for discussion purpose using Agrias here would still be reasonable, but for scientific study it maybe come confusing in the future. Just my thoughts  |
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Post by hewi on Mar 1, 2022 7:19:56 GMT -8
Wonderful ! Can we have the form names of these 2 fournierae, Manfred ? As I am not a friend of infrasubspecific names, I had not mentioned these names. But they are f. aristoteles for the yellow one and f. augustus for the red one. |
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Post by jshuey on Mar 1, 2022 7:52:17 GMT -8
They are Prepona! Just because collectors refuse to acknowledge the change, doesn't make it true! Just look at the ease with which hybrids are being produced as evidence. Here are my three favorite "acquisitions" (in quotes because I actually collected these and other species). Prepona amydon philatelica - to my knowledge - the only two specimens known from Belize Prepona aedon rodriguezi - most of the known Belize specimens (I traded away three or four over the years) Prepona deiphile diaziana - again, these are the only known specimens from Belize.   |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 1, 2022 8:21:22 GMT -8
They are Prepona! Just because collectors refuse to acknowledge the change, doesn't make it true! I think you actually mean Just because collectors refuse to acknowledge the change, doesn't make it untrue! Adam. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 1, 2022 11:19:19 GMT -8
Thank you everyone for the wonderful photo's added to the thread so far !
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