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Post by wollastoni on Jan 27, 2012 6:33:38 GMT -8
Shuey < true that Nabokov's blues is a fantastic book.
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Post by zdenol123 on Jan 27, 2012 6:36:30 GMT -8
i wouldnt be proud of anything whats coming out of Greece cuz it "fcuks up" whole world at this moment  ..well, except Insect and Olives... ;D |
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Post by thanos on Jan 27, 2012 6:51:19 GMT -8
zdenol : 'Ma esi fisika eisai perifani mono gia ti vathia su kolotripa mori skila kseskismeni ' Hahahahahahaha |
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Post by bobw on Jan 27, 2012 7:09:37 GMT -8
I would emphatically agree with what Adam and John said. The plural of "genus" is "genera"; if any editor tried to make me use the bastardised "genuses" I'd find another editor. Surely no sensible person would ever trust an online dictionary! The only really valid reference for the English language is the OED; I've not checked it but I'd be very surprised if it accepts "genuses" as valid. If it does I'm throwing my copy away.
I'd really hoped that our Greek "friend" had calmed down as he's not been upsetting people for a while, and has even been constructive at times. But now he's started picking fights again with people who clearly know better. I wouldn't argue with Adam on Papilionidae or Thierry on African butterflies! It seems he will never learn. I've tried to keep out of these arguments but it's hard when when one person's ego causes him to be so much at odds with everybody else.
Bob
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Post by thanos on Jan 27, 2012 8:02:56 GMT -8
I found a nice answer on the matter(and agree with it) : This debate has been going on for a very long time. Here's a part of what Fowler said in Modern English Usage: "No rule can be given for preferring or avoiding the Latin form. Some words invariably use it (species, theses, opera)... Others nearly always have the Latin form, but occasionally the English (bacilluses/bacilli, genuses/genera)... More often the Latin & English forms are on fairly equal terms, context or individual taste deciding for one or the other..."  ps: Now,if you think that someone is better entomologist by prefering the one or the other,then all I can say is a big : LoooooooooooooooooooooooooL . |
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 27, 2012 8:08:57 GMT -8
So you defend "genuses" but you're against "Viridixes"...
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Post by wolf on Jan 27, 2012 8:26:02 GMT -8
ps: Now,if you think that someone is better entomologist by prefering the one or the other,then all I can say is a big : LoooooooooooooooooooooooooL . [sarcasm] Yea, cus clearly the better entomologist in general has a name which always starts with T. Started collecting insects at about 5 years of age. And has an education within agriculture  [/sarcasm] Dont get me wrong Thanos, you do have some good knowledge about entomology. And i've actually learnt some stuff from some of your posts. But can't u accept that there MIGHT be some poeple out there with more experience and knowledge than u? And maybe that U can learn something from them? |
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Post by thanos on Jan 27, 2012 8:29:58 GMT -8
So you defend "genuses" but you're against "Viridixes"... I'm not against Viridixes. I don't agree with its use as separate genus. Don't tell whatever you want . And I gave my points for this above,stated with very recent scientific evidence. -wolf, of course there are people with much more experience than me in many groups,as I do have in other groups where they don't/have less. But the difference is that, some of these people are very alazonic about their works and exhibit a really sad behaviour when someone wants to discuss with them(cause he is interested) taxonomic,nomenclatural or other subjects. I have been always helping -for free,privately or publickly,spending personal time-, anytime I was asked to advise on groups I'm good. Never faced a colleague with such a disdaining way. |
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Post by maliciousinchworm on Jan 27, 2012 8:34:37 GMT -8
Thanos,
Please, do not turn that innocent post of mine into a quarrel. My only goal when I pointed genus Viridixes was informing you about the current nomenclature and taxonomic position os this group, but I see you already have a personal opinion.
I have not read any of the two papers commented here, but as far as I´m concerned, Aduse-Poku didn´t stablish synonimy between Charaxes and Viridixes, so, we have to use the later, even if you don´t agree. In fact, having your own well erected opinion, you could easily publish a paper stating the sinonimy, it will only be after some time, that we get to see if Viridixes definitively survives as genus or not. This is far away of my current capabilities.
A similar case to this and to which I´m more familiar is Phengaris (former Maculinea). Although Fric et al. stablished sinonimy, and Phengaris had preference, recent analysis by Ugelvig in 2011, shows evidences that both genera, Phengaris and Maculinea (the later containing only the taxon alcon) are needed. Nevertheless he didn´t reinstated Maculinea, so it is wrong to say Maculinea alcon at the moment, you have to use Phengaris although you may not agree (I don´t, but I use it) The case is more complex, as a ruling by the ICZN (not solved yet) was requested...
Hope this chills the mood in this thread.
Regards,
Alejandro A.
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Post by africaone on Jan 27, 2012 8:36:17 GMT -8
I have a dream !!!!  that Thanos makes a real blacklist and promises to never communicate, answer, interefer or any kind of relation with those that are on this blacklist ! I ask the first place |
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Post by thanos on Jan 27, 2012 9:04:49 GMT -8
africaone, YOU were the one who asked for my scientific arguments, -maybe you need to refresh your memory ?
Btw,I don't blacklist.
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Post by nomihoudai on Jan 27, 2012 9:11:21 GMT -8
This is the rule of thirds Bob. Not the one in art on how to compose a picture but the rule of thirds of thanos. After he insisted once again that his posts to this webpage are way more usefull than mine I wanted to know exactly what he writes on here and analysed his post. The result is that on average thanos posts are composed 1/3 rude posts insulting people, 1/3 ID's and 1/3 chit chat (of this 1/3 is filled with entomological content, the other 2/3 are about expensive butterflies on ebay and how great greece is without the use of insults). After that many insults now we might expect soon to get some more ID and chit chat from him.
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Post by vwman on Jan 27, 2012 10:10:51 GMT -8
Making friends and influencing people.
I do so love the soap opera / train wreck that is Thanos.
Are there any of my English words that you would care to enlighten me on their greek origins?
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Post by thanos on Jan 27, 2012 10:45:30 GMT -8
Of course : soap comes from 'sapon' (ancient greek) or 'sapuni' (new greek) lol |
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Post by africaone on Jan 28, 2012 1:56:26 GMT -8
This is the rule of thirds Bob. Not the one in art on how to compose a picture but the rule of thirds of thanos. After he insisted once again that his posts to this webpage are way more usefull than mine I wanted to know exactly what he writes on here and analysed his post. The result is that on average thanos posts are composed 1/3 rude posts insulting people, 1/3 ID's and 1/3 chit chat (of this 1/3 is filled with entomological content, the other 2/3 are about expensive butterflies on ebay and how great greece is without the use of insults). After that many insults now we might expect soon to get some more ID and chit chat from him. with such statistic, any member had to be banned for a long time ! he is lucky to be still here. |
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