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Post by dertodesking on Nov 3, 2013 12:38:25 GMT -8
seeing that reminded me of John, ' Panzerman ' who started this very popular thread. I have not seen John post for a very long time. I did enjoy seeing his specimens from his amazing Papilionidae collection and hope to see more soon. I believe Panzerman had one of the best collections of rare O. tithonus subspecies that I have seen and it would be nice to be able to view them again. Regards Peter. Didn't John give up collecting and sell his specimens to concentrate on his rare coin collection? I was always surprised, given the depth and sheer beauty of his collection, that John was so open that butterflies were "only" his second love after coins. Anyway...I've certainly seen some of his specimens for sale (identifiable from his distinctive yellow labels) on a couple of dealers websites... Simon |
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Post by nomad on Nov 3, 2013 13:09:49 GMT -8
Sad news that ' John ' may have given up butterfly collecting but, I suppose our interests and a passion for a hobby sometimes change. He certainly had a remarkable collection that must have been worth a lot of money.
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Post by froggy on Nov 3, 2013 15:13:28 GMT -8
Hi Nomad, I am pleased you are enjoying the picts. It never ceases to amaze me what wealth of information is available on the internet. I have been "exploring" for a few years now and I am always surprised that there is still great material turning up every few weeks/months (and I am only checking on the birdwings). Although I don't know John Panzerman who started this threat, I am very grateful for him doing so (and I am glad it is still going strong). With regards to John selling his birdwings, I am reminded of the saying about the journey being what's important and not always the destination  . I have felt "ups and downs" about my birdwings collecting too, so I can understand (and it is a somewhat expensive enterprise  ) Cheers, Thierry |
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Post by froggy on Nov 8, 2013 19:15:35 GMT -8
I searched for picts of the O. Tithonus Holotype on the net more than a year ago and came up empty... but found these just today. Just goes to show what a gold mine the net can be  Enjoy Froggy    |
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Post by nomad on Nov 11, 2013 3:25:05 GMT -8
Hi Thierry.
Thank you for posting the type O. tithonus specimen with those original labels. Nice to see the specimen in colour, I have only seen the Black and white figure in the Haugum/Low Monograph. O. tithonus is a interesting species, which has the distinction of being the second Ornithoptera species to be described, the first being O. priamus. For those that regard ' Scoenbergia ' to be valid , then S. tithonus was the first of this genus to be found, the next species, S. goliath was described nearly 50 years later.
Regards Peter.
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Post by froggy on Nov 11, 2013 7:29:31 GMT -8
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 11, 2013 7:48:47 GMT -8
"Is it because the birdwings do not hold the top spot for you anymore?" : or maybe because Delias inexpectata is a rare and splendid butterfly !!!
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Post by nomad on Nov 11, 2013 8:06:53 GMT -8
Hi Froggy, yes some of the early birdwing butterflies were bought down by guns with small shot.  . As you know, the first females of O. victoriae and O. alexandrae were secured in this way, because they flew very high. A.S. Meek shot a male O. chimaera, which would have been the first specimen of this sex ever captured, but it fell over a cliff, as luck would have another soon arrived with a native collector. Meek also used this method to secure O. goliath specimens of both sexes on Goodenough Island during his visit there in 1913. Yes, a different avatar, a change is good sometimes. My love for birdwings especially the historical aspect remains undiminished.  My all time favourite butterfly remains O. paradisea . Recently, as you know, I have become interested in Delias . . Many Delias species inhabit the same localities as the birdwings and have the same great historical association with all my favourite collectors, so they were a natural choice for me to start a reference collection to add to my enjoyment of this wonderful hobby, but I have been interested in them, ever since I viewed Paul Smart's Delias collection in the 1970's. Further to this, all butterflies and many moths hold my interest, especially again British butterflies and their history. Regards Peter. |
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Post by nomad on Nov 11, 2013 8:16:42 GMT -8
"Is it because the birdwings do not hold the top spot for you anymore?" : or maybe because Delias inexpectata is a rare and splendid butterfly !!! Yes, Delias inexpectata was chosen for my new avatar, because it remains a little known and very beautiful butterfly species, plus it was discovered by the great A.F.R Wollaston in the mountains of my favourite Island, New Guinea. |
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Post by lepidofrance on Nov 11, 2013 9:24:59 GMT -8
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Post by timoclea on Nov 11, 2013 13:00:35 GMT -8
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Post by froggy on Nov 11, 2013 15:24:29 GMT -8
No need to call in the lawyers, I have removed all the books I created on Blurb. I have spent many hours and lots of effort on this birdwing project because I am amazed at the diversity of these magnificient creatures. And I am also amazed at what a resource the Net has become, and not only in term of images, but also with regards to historical, geographical, and human information. I did this out my own interest and did not intend to infringe on anyone rights. I put this work on Blurd because I though people would find pleasure with this compilation. I'll admit this is very naive (yet true), and I appologize to those taking offense. Other than immediately removing the offensive books, I am not sure how I can fix this.
Froggy
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Post by lepidofrance on Nov 11, 2013 15:29:58 GMT -8
"Other than immediately removing the offensive books, I am not sure how I can fix this."
This is not complicated: simply insert a page in each volume to mention the photo credits!
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Post by nomihoudai on Nov 11, 2013 15:42:45 GMT -8
Legally speaking you cannot just reproduce a picture simply by putting the credits. You must have the legal permission to do so. Actually putting the copyright sign anywhere on your work is an obsolete step, anything you produce is in your authorship. If lepidofrance transmits you the copyright by putting the credits this is fine, but for other people this may not be enough.
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Post by jshuey on Nov 12, 2013 5:44:59 GMT -8
No need to call in the lawyers, I have removed all the books I created on Blurb. I have spent many hours and lots of effort on this birdwing project because I am amazed at the diversity of these magnificient creatures. And I am also amazed at what a resource the Net has become, and not only in term of images, but also with regards to historical, geographical, and human information. I did this out my own interest and did not intend to infringe on anyone rights. I put this work on Blurd because I though people would find pleasure with this compilation. I'll admit this is very naive (yet true), and I appologize to those taking offense. Other than immediately removing the offensive books, I am not sure how I can fix this. Froggy Froggy - I'll give you a lot of credit for an honest and quick answer to the problem. Sometimes our enthusiasm allows us to get carried away. Our emotions can get a bit clouded. You seem to be both sane and very enthusiastic. Shuey |
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. I have felt "ups and downs" about my birdwings collecting too, so I can understand (and it is a somewhat expensive enterprise 
)
. As you know, the first females of O. victoriae and O. alexandrae were secured in this way, because they flew very high. A.S. Meek shot a male O. chimaera, which would have been the first specimen of this sex ever captured, but it fell over a cliff, as luck would have another soon arrived with a native collector. Meek also used this method to secure O. goliath specimens of both sexes on Goodenough Island during his visit there in 1913.
