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Post by panzerman on Apr 10, 2013 11:48:32 GMT -8
The Iron Lady will be remembered as one of the best leaders to govern the UK in the 20 th century. As one newspaper here in Canada stated, "she brought the United kingdom from the edge of the abyss". It must be a sad day for people living in the UK.
John
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 10, 2013 15:56:09 GMT -8
She understood freedom better than many of her peers. I gotta put her up there with Churchill. May we survive without such leaders.
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Post by saturniidave on Apr 10, 2013 18:01:44 GMT -8
I see none of you are aware of the damage she also did while she was in power. There have been people here dancing in the streets celebrating her death, which I personally think is out of order, because they hated her so much for what she did.
But, love her or hate her I do admire her for sticking to her guns and not bending to peer pressure.
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Apr 10, 2013 18:35:00 GMT -8
lol...I saw two newspapers on the web today, one saying as a title about how she tore up Britain and the other about how she saved it...very differing opinions
Quintin
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Post by papilio28570 on Apr 10, 2013 19:11:54 GMT -8
It is the old battle between belief in individual responsibility and government subsistence. On the one hand, you can sink or swim based on your intellect and initiative while relatively free of government intervention, and on the other you get a guarantee to exist with minimal effort under governmental oversight. If government is reduced, one side rejoices while the other shrieks and visa-verso.
Britain was much further down the road to complete socialism than the USA is today until Margaret Thatcher came to power. This demonstrates the power of a visionary leader who has core principles and the ability to articulate these to the masses. Pres. Obama possesses the same qualities but on the opposite end of the political spectrum.
Leaders like these come along but every once in a while and one wonders how long before a Margaret Thatcher comes to the rescue of the American experiment of republicanism.
Margaret Thatcher was indeed the Iron Lady and may she rest in peace and never be forgotten. Her speeches are well worth the time to read them.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 10, 2013 23:55:58 GMT -8
In France, she's seen as a courageous but heartless woman.
And this song were very popular :
Personnaly I think a good leader is not the one who doesn't care of the poorest... of the "wet" as she said.
Anyway rest in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 1:29:05 GMT -8
I see that none of you who posted on here have ther faintest clue what a witch Thatcher was, I was one of those having a party over her demise and I dont give a crap what anybody else thinks, she was a horror of a human being showing a contempt for all working class people never seen before, she single handedly ruined our coal mining industry of which I, my father, brother , grandparents and great granparents were part of, ruining the lives and self esteem of hundreds of thousands of proud men and women, Britain now makes nothing, imports everything, does nothing all thanks to that cow, it will never recover, the iron lady" champion of the upper class twits thatr run our country and of the deluded so called middle classes, she was thier hero, tricking them that she had thier best interests at heart, abroad you only see the best bits, what the British media want you to see and beieive, it is not the true Thatcher, I hope she burns in hell.
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Post by bobw on Apr 12, 2013 1:10:16 GMT -8
There's no doubt that Thatcher was a deeply divisive leader; half the country think she was the greatest leader we've ever had and the other half hated her. I know many people who think the same about her as Dunc, but if you speak to many other people they have nothing but effusive praise for her. I guess that the main reason for the polarisation of opinion is that she was the most right-wing leader we've had, certainly the only one who's approached the extreme right-wing policies of presidents like Reagan and Bush.
Personally I'm ambivalent about her. At the time I hated her style and her apparent lack of compassion, but she did turn the economy round. She surrounded herself with some of the best politicians we've had in many a year - Hesseltine, Clarke, Howe, Hurd, Carrington etc., although she largely ignored them; but also a few complete nutters like Tebbitt and Joseph.
She'll probably be mainly remembered for the fiasco of the poll tax and destroying the mining industry, although she did put a stop to the unions continually holding the country to ramson. She also landed us with continuing responsibility for a very expensive useless rock in the South Atlantic.
There's still no excuse for the current rejoicing at her death. Even sworn enemies like Ken Livingston have expressed their respect at the way she stuck to her beliefs, even if they didn't agree with them.
Bob
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Post by africaone on Apr 12, 2013 5:40:34 GMT -8
In Belgium we have a politic man that is called "baby thatcher" .... ultra liberal (= ultra capitalist in our language). She defended more the interests of the economics lobbies than human values ! I understand people that hate her, and must recognise that she was a big leader for England. I remember she was considered here as a kind of Reagan's sister !
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Post by nomad on Apr 12, 2013 5:56:27 GMT -8
 Bob " Very expensive useless rock in the South Atlantic " there are billions of pounds worth of oil in the sea around the Falklands! That's why Argentina is making all that noise again !!! Peter.
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Post by bobw on Apr 12, 2013 6:06:21 GMT -8
Bob " Very expensive useless rock in the South Atlantic " there are billions of pounds worth of oil in the sea around the Falklands! That's why Argentina is making all that noise again !!! Peter. But it's really deep - how much will it cost to extract? Also they didn't find it until much later! Bob |
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Post by nomad on Apr 12, 2013 6:13:28 GMT -8
 The oil is deep but production should start within the next decade and it is going to make a lot of money which will inflame tensions in that area!!! Peter.
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Post by bobw on Apr 12, 2013 7:27:59 GMT -8
I don't think Cristina Kirchner needs any excuse to inflame things any more.
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Apr 12, 2013 11:07:48 GMT -8
I see that none of you who posted on here have ther faintest clue what a witch Thatcher was, I was one of those having a party over her demise and I dont give a crap what anybody else thinks, she was a horror of a human being showing a contempt for all working class people never seen before, she single handedly ruined our coal mining industry of which I, my father, brother , grandparents and great granparents were part of, ruining the lives and self esteem of hundreds of thousands of proud men and women, Britain now makes nothing, imports everything, does nothing all thanks to that cow, it will never recover, the iron lady" champion of the upper class twits thatr run our country and of the deluded so called middle classes, she was thier hero, tricking them that she had thier best interests at heart, abroad you only see the best bits, what the British media want you to see and beieive, it is not the true Thatcher, I hope she burns in hell. In just the same way, this is what Obama is doing to our country, but he was only the lesser of two evils... |
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 12, 2013 17:05:03 GMT -8
"Have not the faintest clue."
I have far more than faint clues. I also have the ability to not call people I dislike intensely those kind of names as I consider myself reasonably civilized. Come to think of it, she did the same. But what do I know, I'm just a reasonably educated lower class working man who likes to work.
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Bob " Very expensive useless rock in the South Atlantic " there are billions of pounds worth of oil in the sea around the Falklands! That's why Argentina is making all that noise again !!!
The oil is deep but production should start within the next decade and it is going to make a lot of money which will inflame tensions in that area!!!