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Post by papilio28570 on Apr 22, 2013 16:07:56 GMT -8
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 23, 2013 1:14:32 GMT -8
LOL
Don't believe all what you see on internet my friend.
No France won't be the next Muslim nuclear nation, no 9.11 was not an attack from Mars, no Elvis is not alive, no big foot does not live in Central Park.
Of course there are a lot of Muslims in France (maybe 5/10% of the total population) for many reasons (don't forget Algeria was a part of France, economical immigration, illegal immigration...). France like the USA or the UK has always been a land of immigration.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 7:38:59 GMT -8
I think the problem in France, is that Muslims do not want to change their tradition and manners (if many even have manners), same goes on for example in Moscow, as they can shoot for the sky after a marriage in the ample city center having no charges shown to them, but if a Russian carries a gun illegally to protect himself he is totally ****** up. Laws in many cases are of no matter if you are a minority, you do whatever you want...
Look the video bellow, this is the Governments fault, none else. First of all our Governments should never had given the same rights to those people as they never did something to deserve the same rights. As it has been said in the video from Paris, now we Europeans gotta get used to them as they did not feel "integrated". (guess why) ....
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 23, 2013 7:55:12 GMT -8
Not totally right, not totally false : Most of muslims changed a lot of their tradition and manners to adapt to French culture and laws.
Of course some of them don't and I agree it causes problems. But the main problems don't come from old immigrants who want to keep their way of living, it comes from young integrists who want Europe to adapt to their fascist vision of islam...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 8:12:21 GMT -8
You are right, the older ones are actually the most respectful ones. In Russia that partly delivers from the fact that their territories used to belong to USSR at the time, just saying...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 10:09:13 GMT -8
In England its even worse than anywhere else,our government has given away our country free of charge to any race that wants to come in, claim benefits, free housing, free health service and even send some money home to good old mum and dad, claim for members of their family that dont actually live in the UK and to pay for all this they stop the benefits of UK residents, most of whom have paid more into the system than they will ever get out, give all social housing to immigrants at the expense of yes you guessed it UK citizens and in short taken away all rights of free speech to anybody who dares to speak out against it by branding them a racist. In good old modern Britain the only ones who are given a hard time because they have no voice anymore are christians, fat people and people with ginger hair, you can be as scathing as you want to this section of society but dont dare to criticise homosexuals, eastern Europeans and above all muslims, dont dare offend a muslim.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 23:40:25 GMT -8
Personally I don't see any possible comparison in between Muslims and Homosexuals, really....
Homosexuality might well not be the most beautiful "practical" in the world at the eyes of many people, but it is their deal, they are still working, they are still making money same as heterosexual people, government won't waste your taxes building them churches, they eat the same as everyone else, have the same customs, they don't just build their shops and restaurants everywhere, they don't try to implement homosexuality to the people surrounding them, and it is not like they "teaching" people at school or at home according to the ideals of homosexuality.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 24, 2013 0:58:09 GMT -8
Yes this comparison is a total nonsense...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 3:18:09 GMT -8
I personally dont have a problem with it, I was just pointing out those sections of British society who you dare not "offend" in contrast to those who are fair game to have a pop at, homophobic bigot I am not.
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Post by jshuey on Apr 24, 2013 6:09:02 GMT -8
Chatter like this bugs the hell out of me. They way I see it, if there are things that bug you have two courses of action.
You can do something about it. Or you can blame someone else for your problems.
As my dad always told me - "man up, and take control of your life." There may indeed be people who contributed to bad situations in my life, but sitting around whining about them, disrespecting them or acting like they do will never improve my personal lot.
So man up!
Shuey
(If you were to walk into my office at this very moment, you would see a small sign behind me that states simply - "no whining". Everyone here understands that it is a call to take action in the face of adversity..., to solve problems as they arise..., to be successful)
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Post by nomihoudai on Apr 24, 2013 8:51:44 GMT -8
Politicians should be representatives of the people on different levels. You could write letters to your representative, when I was 16 I wrote a long letter to the ministry of education about what I didn't find correct in the national teaching system. I never got any reply but at least I tried. pittendrighinsects, just as a reminder, you are 15 years old and maybe you should leave topics like marriage to people that have the right age and maturity to judge who should benefit from it and not. If you had lived with a partner for 40 years and they deny you to see the other at deathbed because you are "not part" of the family you will lose faith in humanity.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 24, 2013 9:13:36 GMT -8
Aaaaaah you are 15 years old !!!! No I understand better why you think Franco is a hero...
I suggest you also leave topics like politics to people that have the right age and maturity to vote and understand History. Most of us were more "extremist" (to the left or to the right) when we were kids and then we grew up and understood than life is more complicated than we thought.
+ I suggest you read "Tristes Tropiques" from Claude Levi-Strauss, you will see mariage is not "necessarily" between a man and a woman.
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Post by jshuey on Apr 24, 2013 9:56:33 GMT -8
Government is protecting them, action has to be taken by the Governments, not by us "simple" people. So, what can I do? Shut up and get used to it or become the next Prime Minister? I do not want to seem rude, but let me know of "what would you do?" if you were unhappy with it? No whining is Ok, when and if you can solve the problem yourself... I completely agree with Thadeos, as for the most part, they have integrated into the culture, but marriage is between a man and a woman... So, I would start by asking myself, what part of this actually causes me problems. What about this directly impacts my quality of life? How is my self-worth diminished by all this? Until you understand these questions, you will never come up with a solution that improves your quality of life. But if it is just the mere presence of gays or some ethnic group that bothers you, I'd suggest that you seek counseling or perhaps move to a region where there are fewer people that you find personally offensive. If some ethnic group has "taken all the local jobs" go back to school and gain some useful skills. I can point to friends that have successfully put serious problems behind them with such tactics. But they did not bore me with their whining about "insurmountable problems". Instead they figured out what the real problem was, developed a strategy to deal with it, and put that plan into action. Often times, they (and myself as well) realize that in the general scope of things, it might not be that big of a deal (in other words, the existence of something or someone doesn't really impact me directly). In that case - what are we actually whining about??? The bottom line is that if you start to view the world as a bunch of intractable problems, you will quickly become a simpering wimp living a terrible life in a horrible world. Sadly, I see people like that shuffling around all the time, whining about the president, immigration, gays in the Boy Scouts, religions and so on. They are sad little people who will never be happy in life. They feel powerless to do anything to improve their situation. They whine... Personally, that is not a life that I would ever want to live. Shuey
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Apr 24, 2013 14:56:42 GMT -8
Now I finally understand that anyone who disagrees with you guys or shares a different opinion must be banned...is this what you really want? As a conservative, I cannot have the right to voice my opinions and follow my religion? I now know what Thanos must have felt when you guys pushed him out for having a differing opinion, and as I see it, this is a complete injustice. Ban me if you want for disagreeing with you, but I will keep my views.
Quintin
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Post by pittendrighinsects on Apr 24, 2013 14:58:53 GMT -8
No I understand better why you think Franco is a hero... Really, thank you...he did built up Spain's infrastructure and kept a good economy. If it weren't for him, Spain wouldn't have prospered...
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