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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 12, 2011 1:43:07 GMT -8
Papilio Bromius s.sp Bromius (surprisingly no female  just never got any yet) and Nireus s.sp Nireus and Lyaeus which i do have females of.. Rich  Attachments:
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 12, 2011 1:46:18 GMT -8
close up of Bromius colour ABB / form what ever you want to call it?? Rich Attachments:
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Post by nomihoudai on Feb 12, 2011 2:11:18 GMT -8
Couldn't this just be water applied to blue shiny scales ? It looks like my Lycaenidae that I constantly screw up by putting too much water close to them
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Post by maurizio on Feb 12, 2011 3:59:19 GMT -8
I am not surprised that you never got bromius female. Even if I have about 400 set specimens of the nireus group in my own collection (plus many still in paper), I have only 1 female of nominotypical subspecies and 1 female of ssp. chrapkowskoides, while I have several nireus females, for example.
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Post by dertodesking on Feb 12, 2011 14:40:42 GMT -8
I am not surprised that you never got bromius female. Even if I have about 400 set specimens of the nireus group in my own collection (plus many still in paper), I have only 1 female of nominotypical subspecies and 1 female of ssp. chrapkowskoides, while I have several nireus females, for example. Robert Westphal lists A1 female Papilio bromius bromius on his site for 15 euros...they're in stock by the look of things. Simon |
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Post by maurizio on Feb 12, 2011 15:31:13 GMT -8
Robert Westphal lists A1 female Papilio bromius bromius on his site for 15 euros...they're in stock by the look of things. Simon If the identification is correct, the price is really low. |
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 23, 2013 8:02:17 GMT -8
Some recently added females... Attachments:
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 23, 2013 8:03:21 GMT -8
more females.. Attachments:
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 23, 2013 8:04:35 GMT -8
some Nireus s.sp Lyaeus females.. Attachments:
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 23, 2013 8:05:22 GMT -8
Nireus s.sp Nireus females.. Attachments:
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 23, 2013 8:07:15 GMT -8
females i'm not sure of, no data, dicovered these a while back in a mixed lot of papered, think they are Nireus but not sure... Attachments:
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Post by teinopalpus on Jan 23, 2013 10:50:40 GMT -8
Congrats Rich, Very nice females. But situation is more complicated. At least as far as my very limited knowledge. At first Papilio bromius was replaced with Papilio chrapkowskoides. Then Ugandian race is Papilio chrapkowskoides ssp.chrapkowskoides / previous bromius ssp.chrapkowskoides /. Previous P.bromius bromius is now P.chrapkowskoides nurettini . Ugandian race "chrapkowskoides" is somewhat middle between "nurettini" and another species Papilio chrapkowskii If you look to your photo with 3 females on it, you can see especially lower two are very similar to female specimen of P.chrapkowskii pictured in Kielland´s Butterflies of Tanzania. As for presence of P.chrapkowskii in Uganda I read various opinions, but I have some from Mt.Napak and probably occurs in various parts of Uganda. So maybe some of your ugandian "bromius" are P.chrapkowskoides / =bromius / and some maybe P.chrapkowskii. .... and do not forget about females of P.sosia which are determinable only by genitals as far as I know and of course are also present in Uganda with ssp.debilis. This is ssp. pulchra / CAR, Congo / - abdomen used for determination. projects.bebif.be/enbi/albertinerift/butterfly/picture?id=1488&sex=female&orientation=rectoRich, if you know some good article about nireus-group I will welcome any information. BTW never saw P.chitondensis . Can anybody upload photo ? Please .... And african Papilios are still confusing .... Papilio bacelarae ? redalyc.uaemex.mx/redalyc/pdf/455/45515238010.pdfJan |
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Post by papilio28570 on Jan 23, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -8
Thanks for the info teinopalpus, and congrats to timmsyrj on tracking down and obtaining his long sought females.
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Post by maurizio on Jan 24, 2013 15:07:40 GMT -8
BTW never saw P.chitondensis . Can anybody upload photo ? Please .... Jan, I will try to upload the photos of my P. chitondesis specimens during next weekend. |
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Post by africaone on Jan 24, 2013 23:03:36 GMT -8
here are two males of papilio chitondoensis (Angola Cunaza Sul) Attachments:
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just never got any yet) and Nireus s.sp Nireus and Lyaeus which i do have females of..
