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Post by africaone on Feb 14, 2014 2:19:31 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 4:45:49 GMT -8
I agree with Adam Cotton......
Perhaps a new heading directed at the real problem at hand should be put forth........Marc Schenck. He is squarely on my blackball list.
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Post by davethebugguy on Feb 14, 2014 5:31:32 GMT -8
Thanks everyone for your input on this matter. The big problem here was miscommunication, not only between me and Marc, but between me and Jean-Pierre. This should've immediately been brought up to PayPal and it would've never gone as far as it did. PayPal is buyer-biased and Jean-Pierre would've gotten his money in a few days of filing a complaint instead of the 9 months he did wait. I have known Marc for over 35 years and never realized that so many people stopped buying from him for his business practices. On the day that I received the initial visit from the detective I called Marc over a dozen times and e-mailed him as well, all to no response. I finally drove to his house (he was not home) and then tracked him down at the local Laundromat. When I confronted him on this it was obvious at how oblivious he was to the severity of this. Not only has he destroyed his livelihood but he has also destroyed friendships, including this one. I do honestly believe he shipped the specimens and that they got lost, but since Marc cannot provide any of the tracking information, I will never know for sure. In the time that I did work with him, he may have been slow at getting parcels out, but he always did ship them and he always made good on his transactions. Now he will just have to figure out how to do it on his own. Marc also informed me that he will be refunding me the money, but not until March. Again, this incident is definitely not a priority in his eyes.
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Post by papillon on Feb 14, 2014 6:24:07 GMT -8
I could not go through Paypal to obtain a refund because I got time-barred.
Why ?
Because Mr. Albaugh kept sending me messages which I was naive enough to believe.
That the box had been sent to my address in France, then that it had been rejected by the French authorities and sent back to the States, then that he had retrieved it from the post office , then that he had sent it to my Uganda address, all this without me never being able to obtain any shipping reference number from him.
When I realized that nothing had been sent, it was too late to lodge a claim through Paypal.
This will answer the critical messages I read about not doing it the right way, according to some.
It is quite amazing in this forum that a member being genuinely cheated still gets messages criticizing his actions when all he is doing is trying to recover his money!!
Having said that, I received the refund and the matter is closed.
As for adding a question mark to the title of that thread, I honestly do not know how to do it.
papillon
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 14, 2014 8:57:25 GMT -8
As for adding a question mark to the title of that thread, I honestly do not know how to do it. papillon Click 'edit' in the first post you made in the thread and you should find that you can also change the subject line. Only the originator of the thread can do this, although maybe Clark can too. Adam. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 14, 2014 12:42:30 GMT -8
I have received a private e-mail questioning why I want the subject line of the thread changed, so I thought I would explain why here.
I believe in the right of everyone to be innocent until proven guilty, and I don't think it is fair that someone who has made good on his mistake is automatically branded as dishonest (especially to people who just skim the forum subject lines without reading the contents).
Perhaps David has done some bad trades, perhaps he's a victim of Marc Schenck himself, I don't know. But unless there is more dirty linen to be aired we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Every trader can have a problem with a customer, and usually it can be sorted out satisfactorarily very quickly, but once the problem is posted on the trading reports forum some mud will stick especially if the subject line is distinctly negative, and that is bad for the trader's business.
If anyone has good or bad experiences with David Albaugh then perhaps they can add to the comments already posted here. I just don't think it is fair to give someone a bad reputation when they may not deserve it.
Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:12:23 GMT -8
I have received a private e-mail questioning why I want the subject line of the thread changed, so I thought I would explain why here. I believe in the right of everyone to be innocent until proven guilty, and I don't think it is fair that someone who has made good on his mistake is automatically branded as dishonest (especially to people who just skim the forum subject lines without reading the contents). Perhaps David has done some bad trades, perhaps he's a victim of Marc Schenck himself, I don't know. But unless there is more dirty linen to be aired we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Every trader can have a problem with a customer, and usually it can be sorted out satisfactorarily very quickly, but once the problem is posted on the trading reports forum some mud will stick especially if the subject line is distinctly negative, and that is bad for the trader's business. If anyone has good or bad experiences with David Albaugh then perhaps they can add to the comments already posted here. I just don't think it is fair to give someone a bad reputation when they may not deserve it. Adam. |
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Post by admin on Feb 14, 2014 14:18:45 GMT -8
I edited the subject line.
Here you see the why I put forth recommendations on how to post trading reports (sticky thread up top, please read it), that is, to avoid using such terms as 'dishonest', 'scammer', 'liar', etc. and just state the facts of the situation.
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Post by joee30 on Feb 14, 2014 19:01:20 GMT -8
I agree with Adam on this matter as I do enjoy reading this forum. I can understand why some people get angry and like to use the label "dishonest" on certain traders, yet there are many who are just that. If there were more people that will admit to their mistakes like Dave did, then there'd be less "dishonest" sellers.
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Post by stapleton on Feb 15, 2014 3:48:14 GMT -8
I agree with Adam on this matter as I do enjoy reading this forum. I can understand why some people get angry and like to use the label "dishonest" on certain traders, yet there are many who are just that. If there were more people that will admit to their mistakes like Dave did, then there'd be less "dishonest" sellers. What? HONESTY? Ups...  Digitally tinting the faded colors of the ancient and heavily used specimens pictured in eBay listings – IS IT HONEST? Inventing names, giving deliberately fake geo data – IS IT HONEST? Buying, for a wholesale price, a batch of A-/B Aeth. victoriae regis Pairs, mounting the males, taking a “better” look, renaming some of them as “archeri”, substituting “Bougainville Is.” for “Choiseul Is.”, and reselling them for insane prices on eBay – IS IT HONEST? Listing a simo as an “acco”, an actius – as an “imperator”, etc. – IS IT HONEST? Coming to the Forum and telling discrete indirect LIES about the member, who has dared to disclose (using ONLY FACTS AND PHOTOS) just a tiny slice of all that dirty-business chemistry – IS IT HONEST? Following a consultation on the Forum, after which there was no doubt regarding the NON-EXISTENCE of whatever new subspecific status of a pair of "prototypes", listing the pair concerned on eBay, naming it SUPER RARITY and asking a cosmic price - IS IT HONEST? Naturally, I could continue this list… Although this has no direct connection to the title of the thread, I don't think it can be viewed as "a flood". |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 15, 2014 9:36:11 GMT -8
Thank you, Stapleton, for the sort of information that people should be hearing. They can make their minds up from something other than just a subject line and a single problematic transaction.
Adam.
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Post by admin on Feb 15, 2014 10:16:18 GMT -8
There is a lot of dishonesty, for sure, in this business. However, for legal reasons I ask everyone to avoid making such ultimate proclamations in this Forum about a specific trader, especially in the Subject line of the posts. Better to say something like "I had a problem with such and such trader. Here is what happened...". You see the difference? It keeps me out of trouble.  Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 12:54:59 GMT -8
It seems from reading various similar topics to this over the years about people being dissatisfied with dealings of various suppliers I thought I would add a few thoughts. Obviously I am not emotionally involved in this particular thread/topic but in over 35 years of buying insect specimens the bad transactions have been few and far between, I read a lot of threads where people have been scammed by various traders because they sent money before receiving the goods, I would NEVER do this unless it was someone who I trust 100%, have dealt with on many occasions and have total confidence in. We are protected with buying on ebay, I have had to lodge a complaint a couple of times and always got my money back promptly. There will always be people in this world whatever field it may be in who are dishonest and want something for nothing, in our business falsification of data to make money is rife, which is why again I would only trust it from people I have known for years, especially when dealing with ancient material. Do all that you can to protect yourself from such people robbing you of your hard earned cash and the integrity of the data in your collections, insist on getting the goods before payment or no deal, do your homework and buy from suppliers with glowing references, if it is someone who you have never dealt with before, ask around for info.
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Post by stapleton on Feb 15, 2014 17:36:00 GMT -8
dunc01226:..." Do all that you can to protect yourself from such people robbing you of your hard earned cash and the integrity of the data in your collections..." I just thought, each of us could do a little to protect the others as well... Clark, I did try to make "the difference" visible... Thanks, Adam Thanks, dunc01226 |
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Post by joee30 on Feb 15, 2014 18:11:50 GMT -8
I agree with Adam on this matter as I do enjoy reading this forum. I can understand why some people get angry and like to use the label "dishonest" on certain traders, yet there are many who are just that. If there were more people that will admit to their mistakes like Dave did, then there'd be less "dishonest" sellers. What? HONESTY? Ups... Digitally tinting the faded colors of the ancient and heavily used specimens pictured in eBay listings – IS IT HONEST?" Inventing names, giving deliberately fake geo data – IS IT HONEST? Buying, for a wholesale price, a batch of A-/B Aeth. victoriae regis Pairs, mounting the males, taking a “better” look, renaming some of them as “archeri”, substituting “Bougainville Is.” for “Choiseul Is.”, and reselling them for insane prices on eBay – IS IT HONEST? Listing a simo as an “acco”, an actius – as an “imperator”, etc. – IS IT HONEST? Coming to the Forum and telling discrete indirect LIES about the member, who had dared to disclose (using ONLY FACTS AND PHOTOS) just a tiny slice of all that dirty-business chemistry – IS IT HONEST? Following a consultation on the Forum, after which there was no doubt regarding the NON-EXISTENCE of whatever new subspecific status of a pair of "prototypes", listing the pair concerned on eBay, naming it SUPER RARITY and asking a cosmic price - IS IT HONEST? Naturally, I could continue this list… Although this has no direct connection to the title of the thread, I don't think it can be viewed as "a flood". I agree with what you are talking about, Stapleton. Sadly, there will always be dishonest traders in this hobby. I have seen what you mention on ebay, and that is just ridiculous. Hell, there are people selling common bugs for ridiculous prices. That is why I rarely buy anything off ebay, and it's just a hassle to try to get a bug I want at a decent price without having to try and outbid some rich fool that will dish out 90 dollars for a 50 dollar bug. Anyway, the sad part about all this is that no matter how you look at it, there are always going to be dishonest people in the trade. At the same time, you always have people that either have to cash to blow on some very expensive "new" subspecies that don't exist, or a person that wants to get decent bugs at a decent value. What I was refering on my post was that the man admmited to his mistake. You have many and even when the old forums were still viewable, many swindlers and liars that would blame their customers for not sending them money, or people getting threatened by them so they can get some money upfront, and what have you. Then, there are many that even though they were kick out of the community, they still post on the classified and sucker in people to buy their "specimens" that never arrive. |
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