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Post by cabintom on Dec 22, 2013 19:45:55 GMT -8
This was caught earlier this month in the Ituri Rainforest, Orientale Province, DRC.   Thanks in advance! Tom |
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Post by lepidofrance on Dec 23, 2013 0:35:43 GMT -8
Seems to be Papilio sosia ROTHSCHILD & JORDAN, 1903.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 23, 2013 1:10:51 GMT -8
Tom,
A side view of the tip of the abdomen as well as top and bottom photos would help with this group, as different species have more or less different shaped claspers. If it is not easy to take a photo then a brief note as to the shape of the tip would help (pointed, rounded or somewhere inbetween).
I can say that this is not Papilio chrapkowskii, the species in your previous photo ID request. Jean-Marc may be right, but I would not like to confirm it without further information on the claspers.
Adam.
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Post by cabintom on Dec 23, 2013 8:37:41 GMT -8
Sure thing! I'll get photos up when I can. Thanks!
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Post by africaone on Dec 23, 2013 10:32:40 GMT -8
Tom, I can say that this is not Papilio chrapkowskii, the species in your previous photo ID request. Jean-Marc may be right, but I would not like to confirm it without further information on the claspers. Adam.  |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 23, 2013 11:32:20 GMT -8
Sure thing! I'll get photos up when I can. Thanks! Just to clarify, I didn't mean top and bottom of the abdomen, by "top and bottom" I meant the photos you already posted at the top of the page. Taking a good photo of the side of the abdomen of a spread specimen may not be very easy, and if it is not possible, then a brief description of the side view of a clasper will help. It is much easier to take a photo of the side when the specimen has its wings closed, before spreading. Perhaps you can do that for other nireus group specimens you would like identified before you spread them. Adam. |
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Post by cabintom on Dec 23, 2013 20:17:27 GMT -8
Yeah, couldn't get a good picture. From the side, the tip of the abdomen looks very well rounded though.
Tom
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 24, 2013 3:13:35 GMT -8
Yeah, couldn't get a good picture. From the side, the tip of the abdomen looks very well rounded though. Tom In that case Jean-Marc should be correct in calling this specimen Papilio sosia, as Papilio nireus looks very similar but has a pointed end to the clasper. Adam. PS. I thought you might have problems taking a side-on photo of the spread specimen. |
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Post by cabintom on Dec 26, 2013 2:36:40 GMT -8
Thanks Adam & Jean-Marc! I really appreciate the help.
Tom
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Post by cabintom on Jan 22, 2014 9:03:40 GMT -8
Here's another one I need help IDing. Unfortunately I already had it on the spreading board prior to your advice about photographing the abdomen from the side...  The tip of the abdomen seems to be shaped much like the smaller end of a fairly elongated/pointy egg... I'm not sure that makes sense... sorry. It was caught 23/XII/2013 in Bogoro, Orientale, DRC. The town is situated just at the top of the Albertine Rift escarpment. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 22, 2014 13:02:22 GMT -8
This looks like Papilio chrapkowskii, although the forewing band is rather broader than the one that you first asked about. Maybe there is a seasonal difference in the bands, or just individual. Thierry (Africaone) will probably be able to answer this one better, as he's familiar with the butterflies of the area. I would be very interested in his opinion.
Adam.
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Post by cabintom on Jan 23, 2014 0:04:31 GMT -8
This looks like Papilio chrapkowskii, although the forewing band is rather broader than the one that you first asked about. Maybe there is a seasonal difference in the bands, or just individual. Thierry (Africaone) will probably be able to answer this one better, as he's familiar with the butterflies of the area. I would be very interested in his opinion. Adam. The other difference I've noticed is with the ventral hindwing basal area (I hope I've got my terminology right). The first specimen has rather more reddish colour in that area. Thanks for your opinion Adam! Looking forward to hearing from Thierry. Tom Edit: To ease comparison, I've attached photos of the previously identified Papilio chrapkowskii. |
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Post by africaone on Jan 23, 2014 8:42:51 GMT -8
the situation is not so clear about the nomenclature and until nobody pulish a revision of the group, doubt will persist about the correct names to apply.
personally i rely this to chrapkowskoides following Larsen, may be chrapkowskii is the correct name (but it seems more a kenyan one ?). One of the main question being do this live together with "bromius" (old named) that is bigger and lighter ? that makes more than 25 years that I hear that someone and others are interested to revise the group and nobody done it !
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Post by cabintom on Jan 23, 2014 9:39:50 GMT -8
From what I've read, it does seem like chrapkowskii has a range further to the east... so do you think it's more likely that, under the current conventions, both are in fact chrapkowskoides?
Tom
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Post by africaone on Jan 24, 2014 0:46:34 GMT -8
which both ? if it is the last two, answer is probably yes
again .... African Papilio needs a serious revision ! like those done for Graphium by NHM ! There are not so many species and quite all are in many big collection !
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The tip of the abdomen seems to be shaped much like the smaller end of a fairly elongated/pointy egg... I'm not sure that makes sense... sorry. It was caught 23/XII/2013 in Bogoro, Orientale, DRC. The town is situated just at the top of the Albertine Rift escarpment.