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Post by leptraps on Mar 22, 2018 14:13:28 GMT -8
This to all 23 (twenty-three) of those who contacted me to trade, buy, or donate specimens of Pterorous glaucus maynardi. I even received six offers to purchase the entire lot and one offer to buy everything, specimens and the drawer.
It is my collection, I seldom exchange, buy or sell. I hope all of you understand.
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Post by luehdorf on Mar 22, 2018 19:19:28 GMT -8
leptraps I would do the same, I love to keep long series and once in my collection, I would not give them away, since no matter how much money, I would just want to buy them back again. But thanks for telling us, it is really great to know that there are still so many people around who buy and collect. I am always a bit afraid that someday nobody trades anymore.
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Post by exoticimports on Mar 24, 2018 3:56:07 GMT -8
The interest in Maynardi is amazing, given that any American can inexpensively jump on a flight and be in Florida in a half day. And Florida is far more comfortable then PNG. For me, I simply haven't caught Maynardi when I was there, odd.
My collection material falls into three categories: research, instruction, and silly desire. Research material is that which largely I've caught and use it to continue research and comparison. Instructional material is the big showy stuff used for school presentations, etc. And admittedly, the silly stuff is commercial material I just love but can't catch myself- in my case I have a weakness for Ceratocampinae, of which none exist in my area...I have two drawers of them.
My collection isn't static, nor does it grow and grow. As I need space, material goes out. And I've donated thousands of specimens to museums and sold at low prices to esteemed collectors.
To each their own- what fits my needs may not fit others. I'm glad Leroy shared his Maynardi, they are beautiful! Keep it up.
Chuck
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Post by Paul K on Mar 24, 2018 10:19:00 GMT -8
- in my case I have a weakness for Ceratocampinae, of which none exist in my area...I have two drawers of them. Chuck Hi Chuck That is strange as we have on the other side of the lake ( Lake Erie, close to Long Point Peninsula ) Dryocampa rubicunda, I wonder why it is not there in NY, no maple trees? Indeed Ceratocampinae are great moths, I have a drawer collected in French Guiana. Cheers Paul
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 24, 2018 10:38:34 GMT -8
Timing is everything when it comes to the capture of insects. While it may be said that any American can inexpensively jump on a flight and be in Florida in a half day; it is another thing to then get off that plane and start swinging at Maynardi's.... I have been to Florida 6 different times since 2006 and have stayed there a minimum of 9 days and a maximum of 14; and still I have only seen the "beast" on but, 3 of those 6 trips (always as single individuals) and never in numbers. Even if you happen to see one you may not have net in hand nor will it necessarily always be a nice "keeper" condition one. Those large wings get damaged fairly quickly once the butterfly is on the wing and "yellow phase" tigers are a obvious target of birds (hence many individuals sport bird attack damage). That being said, the only reliable way of ever acquiring a nice series such as Leroy's is by living there for a period (such as he did). He mentioned himself that he lived there for a 5 year stint and then later on for 3 year stint. I suppose if you know someone who happens to live there and they are willing to get out and swing a net when they see them "out and about"; than maybe you will get an occasional good specimen out of the lot which are captured. Another thing to keep in mind is that when a brood of Papilio's starts emerging and showing up in your local flower garden or field; there is only a short period of days or maybe a week when the individuals are really quite fresh and worth catching. After that initial "hatching out period" the passing days quickly trash them and leave a collector with few viable good examples. Leroy was VERY fortunate to have lived there for a time and experianced the wonder of this far southern subspecies of P. glaucus
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Post by exoticimports on Mar 25, 2018 6:29:00 GMT -8
- in my case I have a weakness for Ceratocampinae, of which none exist in my area...I have two drawers of them. Chuck Hi Chuck That is strange as we have on the other side of the lake ( Lake Erie, close to Long Point Peninsula ) Dryocampa rubicunda, I wonder why it is not there in NY, no maple trees? Indeed Ceratocampinae are great moths, I have a drawer collected in French Guiana. Cheers Paul Rubicunda is localized in my "area". I've found it an hour's drive south, but never within 50km of Lake Ontario's south shore. Even then, it's not common and I've only found a few by chance. Of course, there are plenty of Maple trees, but no Rubicunda; there is also plenty of walnut, hence the common Luna, yet no Citheronia or Eacles anywhere within a few hours drive that I know. I have numerous Maple and Oak species, as well as Tuliptree behind my home, so I get cecropia, polyphemus, and promethea on the back deck with MV; also Io. And those darned Catocala, almost as bad as fishflies. Where I used to live 10km away I also used to get a lot of sphingids- amyntor, modesta, herse, modesta, pandora, etc. Here where I am now all I get are undulosa, inscriptum, myops, and myron. So location has a lot to do with the insects available. As a kid Speyeria were a rarity- I didn't see one until I was probably 16 YO. We caught only two or three over a five year period, and that's collecting all summer. And they were beat. In hindsight, they were strays, since I later found several populations 20km south where they were quite common...on another note, that is now a shopping mall. I find the same thing with local fish. Aside from the ones everybody knows, there are species that are considered common by authorities, but you will never find them unless you stumble across them, and in these localized spots they are quite common.
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Post by Paul K on Mar 25, 2018 7:22:42 GMT -8
Indeed D.rubicunda must be localized species. In fact I haven’t seen it anywhere else by chance only one spot which is also 180km from Toronto.
You are still lucky to have some nice moths in your back yard. I could run 2000W MV on my back yard ( which is a balcony on sixth floor condo ) and nothing will come to it.
It is odd, I found many nice silk moths from around the world but I still don’t have our cecropia! I think I might have to use some MV lights this season.
Paul
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Post by leptraps on Mar 25, 2018 10:08:17 GMT -8
In all my years of Light Trapping, running a Light Set Up with sheet, I never never collected an adult Hyalophora cecropia. I have found many cocoons, reared them several times and I do however, remember finding a pair of H. cecropia coupled in a small tree on my way to school one morning (4th or 5th grade). I still have the male in my collection along several of the adults that I reared from eggs I got from the female.
I have attracted Hyalophora columbia, H. gloveri and H. euryalus. But never H. cecropia.
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Post by Paul K on Mar 25, 2018 10:35:59 GMT -8
I have attracted Hyalophora Columbia, H. gloveri and H. euryalus. But never H. cecropia. That is interesting why H.cecropia is not attracted to light. I found one (1) cocoon of cecropia two years ago but pupae was dry dead inside, I went back to the same place few times in early spring and late fall but never found anymore.
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Post by leptraps on Mar 25, 2018 10:49:37 GMT -8
In October of 1991 I visited the Fakahatchee Strand SWMA (I think it is a Park,now??) and found the Biden's (Stick Tights) in full bloom. The entire length of Jane's Scenic Drive was lined with Bidens, and butterflies galore.
Pterourus glaucus maynardi Pterourus troilus ilionesis Pterourus palamedes Pterourus cresphontes
Literally, thousands of them.
I had hung out several bait traps several days earlier, after the excitement of finding thousands upon thousands of butterflies, I walked up a gated road where I set out a bait trap and noticed numerous Marpesia petreus flying up amongst the tree tops. While walking and looking up at the Dagger Wings I came upon a large deep puddle/ditch across the two track road. As I waddle across the edge I disturbed a rather large Alligator on the other side. The Gator swooshed his tail and scared the living S___t out of me as it plunged into the water of the swamp/forest to the west. I had to walk back to my truck and find my roll of TP.
Fakahatchee Strand was one of my favorite places to collect in South Florida.
Royal Palm Mammock was in the middle of Fakahatchee Strand and Jane's Senic Drive passed right through it. The moths where incredible in September through November.
I loved collecting in South Florida.
I am slightly off topic, I apologize.
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Post by exoticimports on May 1, 2018 14:12:59 GMT -8
Got my Maynardi today. Not perfect and took three hours but I got one.
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Post by johnnyboy on May 1, 2018 22:58:08 GMT -8
Is it big?
Regards
Johnny
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Post by 58chevy on May 2, 2018 13:26:29 GMT -8
Is collecting still allowed in the Fakahatchee Strand?
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Post by leptraps on May 2, 2018 14:16:43 GMT -8
A permit is required. Not sure of the current process to obtain permits. Not sure if Fakahatchee is State or Federal. I would assume it is still State.
Google Fakahatchee to get email address and the email and ask them. I was never turned down. However, my good looks and charm always worked for me.
An end of year report with the number of visits, list of species collected. And any comments on abundance, host plants and number of broods.
Should you ever want a permit for a different WMA or State Park, you reference your work at Fakahatchee. It will work in getting a permit every time. They talk too and know each other.
Good luck.
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Post by beetlehorn on Jun 3, 2018 1:26:30 GMT -8
Not to be a contrary old fart, but I have on several occasions found H. cecropia at gas station lights, car wash lights, and at my own lights. The first cecropia I reared were from a female my wife and I found at the base of a street light out in a rural Tennessee (Stewart county) shop. The first cecropia I got at my light was early one April morning (around 3:30 am) several years ago at my back yard light setup, a perfect male. Just yesterday I had two calling females on my front porch in a metal screen mesh cage. I got up at 4:00 am, turned on the porch light and saw a dozen male cecropia's fluttering all around my porch. On yet another note regarding ceratocampinae.....last week I had over two dozen D. rubicunda at my sheet, and three Anisota virginiensis. Tonight there were absolutely no rubicunda's, but about a dozen Citheronia regalis at my sheet where just a few days ago there were none! Also I had very few Callosamia angulifera in the past few weeks, where they were quite numerous in the past years. Tonight I did not see a single specimen, but I have a feeling that will change within the next month.
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