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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 8:12:41 GMT -8
Nice.......
I envy the fact that you caught most of these yourself. Must be a thrill.
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Post by jshuey on Dec 16, 2019 10:41:24 GMT -8
Nice....... I envy the fact that you caught most of these yourself. Must be a thrill. It was - and I can look at the labels on the Prepona aedon, Prepona amydon and Prepona diephile and still tell you the details of each and every capture. For amydon, we first saw this species in Belize 18 years ago when it landed on the side of a trap as we were setting the trap on a hilltop at Las Cuevas. We could not get a net on it, and it flew off, never to be seen again. That is until, this summer, when I was setting up a few traps on my 4th extended sampling effort at Las Cuevas since that original sighting. I was setting a trap at the base of that very same hill, and a female came in and landed on the outside of the trap. This time I was ready, and I swept it off the side of the trap with my net. Imagine that, the only two records of the species in Belize, seen almost 18 years apart, at two sites about 150 meters apart! The next day, I had an almost identical experience as I lowered a trap further down the road. Since 1988, I've made 20 trips to Belize, and these three events are the full extent of amydon records. john Attachments:
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Post by jhyatt on Dec 17, 2019 5:50:01 GMT -8
John,
I'm curious: Were you baiting with fruit or with fish?
I've often noticed that some Lycaenids sit on the outside of bait traps in the neotropics, like your amydon...
but they don't seem to ever actually enter the trap. In Georgia I've had A. halesus sit on the outside of traps, and on
one occasion I took one from the inside of a trap, all fruit bait.
Cheers,
jh
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Post by jshuey on Dec 17, 2019 6:10:03 GMT -8
John, I'm curious: Were you baiting with fruit or with fish? I've often noticed that some Lycaenids sit on the outside of bait traps in the neotropics, like your amydon... but they don't seem to ever actually enter the trap. In Georgia I've had A. halesus sit on the outside of traps, and on one occasion I took one from the inside of a trap, all fruit bait. Cheers, jh Hi John, This was very sugary banana and plantain fruit bait (I add unrefined cane sugar to the bait every day to keep the fermentation at the max). I've tried rotten fish in Belize, and all I really got was a big mess. Other than flies, I took an uncommon Lasaia once inside a trap. Olaf Mielke told me that it really only works in the Amazon and Andes in his experience. Not worth using in the Atlantic Coastal forests of Brazil, or apparently northern Central America either. John |
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Post by foxxdoc on Dec 17, 2019 8:29:46 GMT -8
the greatest congregation of leps I've ever seen was in peru. there was a native hunt camp set up with an open latrine at the rivers edge. covered w leps. no one was eager to collect.
tom
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Post by leptraps on Dec 17, 2019 8:34:17 GMT -8
My personal Bait Traps have only collect a few Hairstreaks, and that was along the Lower Rio Grand River in Texas. I have had very poor luck with Fish, Crabs, Lobster, rotting mammal meat and dead birds.
I remember collecting a Celastrina argiolus in the spring of 1995 in a Bait Trap. I caught lots of singletons in Bait Traps in the Florida Keys. On one occasion in North Key Largo I had over 100 Black Witches in a single Bait Trap. However, I collected some great Butterflies and Moths in my Bait Traps in the North Key Largo and South Florida.
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Post by jhyatt on Dec 17, 2019 14:51:20 GMT -8
I think it was Bob Robbins who once told me he had gotten a lot of Lycaenids at fish bait in Brazil.
Other people have also told me that rotten fish works well in low-to-middle elevations in South America, but for some reason
not much comes to it in Central America.
I once saw several Gulf Frits come to a discarded slice of tomato in Georgia... it wasn't fermented at all, fairly fresh.
Were they just after water? I've never seen them at mud puddles.
jh
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Post by 58chevy on Dec 17, 2019 16:24:16 GMT -8
I collected several Red-Spotted Purples on a string of discarded catfish. I've heard they're also attracted to potassium nitrate (fertilizer).
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Post by leptraps on Dec 23, 2019 14:09:50 GMT -8
Speaking of fish bait, I do not remember who, but a well known Lepidopterists had a glass gallon Jar with rotting fish while flying to Ecuador on a collecting trip. The rotting fish had a take your breath away kind of smell. He carried the jar onto the airplane (pre- 911) and held it on his lap. During the flight he feel asleep. The jar with the dead fish rolled off his lap, hit the floor and broke. I bet he was the most popular guys on the flight.
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Post by exoticimports on Jan 4, 2020 21:52:29 GMT -8
Since I do science fairs and school lectures to introduce youths to the amazing insects I have a few drawers to draw the "oohs" and "aahs". Here's a Dynastes display:  |
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Post by jshuey on Jan 5, 2020 8:14:36 GMT -8
Speaking of fish bait, I do not remember who, but a well know Lepidopterists had a glass gallon Jar with rotting fish while flying to Ecuador on a collecting trip. The rotting fish had a take your breath away kind of smell. He carried the jar onto the airplane (pre- 911) and held it on his lap. During the flight he feel asleep. The jar with the dead fish rolled off his lap, hit the floor and broke. I bet he was the most popular guys on the flight. I've heard this story from participants on that trip. I heard that the smell carried onward to most of the trip, especially in the shared hotel rooms. It only takes a day to make most baits, and I've never understood why people risk taking bait on flights. It's just too much potential problems for me re/ customs - can you imagine what would happen if this got opened when entering the country?  Bad, bad bad. John |
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Post by leptraps on Jan 5, 2020 12:30:13 GMT -8
I knew a certain VP of Manufacturing with ISEC. He was waiting at the airport to pass through the scanners when he broke wind. It was bad, take your breath away bad kind of bad. After passing through security the airline decided not to let him board the plane.
Now I must admit, if that would have been me, they would be evacuating the airport.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 6:47:00 GMT -8
exoticimports,
Nice drawer of Dynastes. Impressive to anyone along w kids.
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Post by Boghaunter on Jan 8, 2020 10:39:37 GMT -8
I collected several Red-Spotted Purples on a string of discarded catfish. I've heard they're also attracted to potassium nitrate (fertilizer). I read an article about Sphinx luscitiosa feeding on decayed fish ... interesting ... ive never tried baiting Spingiids this way |
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Post by leptraps on Jan 14, 2020 4:14:37 GMT -8
The use of decaying/rotting fish as a Bait requires a strong stomach. I have used fish baits with very limited success. Now if you collect Diptera, you will exceed your wildest expectations. However, even if you trap a few lepidoptrans to a fish bait , they will have most of the scales on their wings removed by the continual movement of the flies in the attempt to escape the trap.
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Bad, bad bad.
