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Post by Goliathus on Feb 14, 2019 9:32:17 GMT -8
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Post by Paul K on Feb 14, 2019 12:08:07 GMT -8
Personally I would rather have no specimen at all
than keep the replica. No scientific value, no commercial value, no satisfaction in owing one, no story attached to one.
It’s like having a print of famous artist’s painting hanging on the wall.
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 14, 2019 12:16:16 GMT -8
It’s like having a print of famous artist’s painting hanging on the wall. In that the product seems to have disappeared, it appears that the market agrees with you! On the flip side, I'll bet you the Monet and other prints sell more in a year than the original is worth! Stary Night is valued at about $100 million. The poster on Amazon is $7, and decent prints run about $35, so call it an average of $21. That means just under 5 million prints have to be sold to equal the value of the original. I'd not be surprised at all if 5 million prints of Stary Night are sold each year. But fake butterflies? You can keep them. |
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Post by nomad on Feb 14, 2019 13:02:57 GMT -8
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Post by Paul K on Feb 14, 2019 17:12:44 GMT -8
They look very realistic indeed except the antenna
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Post by LEPMAN on Feb 14, 2019 17:31:13 GMT -8
They even got down the slightly flattened abdomen from being in envelopes.
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Post by johnnyboy on Feb 15, 2019 0:26:03 GMT -8
I saw them displayed at a couple of Amateur Entomological Society Shows. Well made, must have put a lot of effort into each replica.
The problem is that it is almost impossible to artificially create the depth of iridescent and the reflections produced by the scales of the real thing, or the extreme blackness of the black portions of the wing. The darkness of parts of Ornithoptera wings is enhanced by the presence of tiny pits in the surface of the scales that absorb light and add to the blackness of the black parts of the wing.
Johnny
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Post by badger2 on Apr 4, 2019 10:26:45 GMT -8
The attempt to recreate the depth of iridescence is an intelligent trajectory in the conservation of lepidoptera. This art form can and should evolve, especially with those lepidoptera that feed on anti-cancer plants, the latter also threatened with (local[italics]) extinction (ex. Podophyllum).
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 4, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8
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Post by wingedwishes on Apr 4, 2019 15:56:05 GMT -8
Real and with permits Radusho? An incredible dream/goal for many hobbyists. Thank you for that info.
Ty
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Post by Paul K on Apr 4, 2019 19:47:12 GMT -8
Wow!!! Incredible, maybe I should go to Toys’R’us and buy bunch of action figures for few hundreds and sell them in forty years for hundred thousands...Ups!!! I forgot, I might be dead by then. |
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Post by papilio28570 on Apr 5, 2019 7:29:02 GMT -8
"It is art. Most art has no scientific value. As beauty (and value) is in the eye of the beholder, if someone wants to spend their money, go ahead. Replica art exists in most hobbies and has an educational value as well. A teacher could (and many do) show a replica of a species ".....
I recall in high school biology class in 1964 that the teacher passed around the class plastic replicas of human genitalia. Of course the real thing would have been preferred.
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Post by papilio28570 on Apr 5, 2019 7:31:53 GMT -8
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Post by badger2 on Apr 5, 2019 8:47:59 GMT -8
Just as the addiction to screenal space can weaken deixis, so too the value system of a boy depicted in Frank E. Lutz's Fieldbook of Insects who wanted $75 for a luna moth with which to buy a pony. This pathology is precisely capitalistic, whereby capital's general equivalence flattens all other value systems with its promiscuous hegemony. By calling most art devoid of scientific value ironically gives it a value: worthless (or 'priceless'). Because lepidoptera can be unwieldy, a classroom of the future may contain a replica of Hamamelis and reproductions of the pertinent larva, adult, even the eggs (ex. Satyrium liparops, which also feeds on Podophyllum [now endangered in certain parts of the world]). The hobby itself can mutate. We are in touch with one cancer researcher whose mother is a fifth-grade teacher. The children do their own art and place it on the tree. What is the value at the point of exchange? What will be the value of teaching fifth-graders about the pharmacodynamics of anti-cancer chemistry found in these mentioned plants, such compounds that protect from DNA-damaging radiation. This example alone can be a prompt to produce replicas and models. Techniques of rearing will reinforce the science. Homo sapiens has yet to answer the question of birdwing host preference relating to differences in chemistry between Aristolochia. The question is not 'Which comes first, borders or smuggling?' but 'Can a birdwing be tempted into accepting South American Aristolochia even if it has been "doctored"?' Manipulating the chemistry, genetics, and epigenetics of metamorphosis and development in such a way can broaden the view of lepidopteran metabolomes that link directly to medical entomology.
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Post by exoticimports on Apr 5, 2019 10:42:29 GMT -8
Just as the addiction to screenal space can weaken deixis, so too the value system of a boy depicted in Frank E. Lutz's Fieldbook of Insects who wanted $75 for a luna moth with which to buy a pony. This pathology is precisely capitalistic, whereby capital's general equivalence flattens all other value systems with its promiscuous hegemony. By calling most art devoid of scientific value ironically gives it a value: worthless (or 'priceless'). Because lepidoptera can be unwieldy, a classroom of the future may contain a replica of Hamamelis and reproductions of the pertinent larva, adult, even the eggs (ex. Satyrium liparops, which also feeds on Podophyllum [now endangered in certain parts of the world]). The hobby itself can mutate. We are in touch with one cancer researcher whose mother is a fifth-grade teacher. The children do their own art and place it on the tree. What is the value at the point of exchange? What will be the value of teaching fifth-graders about the pharmacodynamics of anti-cancer chemistry found in these mentioned plants, such compounds that protect from DNA-damaging radiation. This example alone can be a prompt to produce replicas and models. Techniques of rearing will reinforce the science. Homo sapiens has yet to answer the question of birdwing host preference relating to differences in chemistry between Aristolochia. The question is not 'Which comes first, borders or smuggling?' but 'Can a birdwing be tempted into accepting South American Aristolochia even if it has been "doctored"?' Manipulating the chemistry, genetics, and epigenetics of metamorphosis and development in such a way can broaden the view of lepidopteran metabolomes that link directly to medical entomology. Is this for real or AI? |
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