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Post by felixb on Mar 22, 2012 2:48:31 GMT -8
Hi Guys!
I'm visiting this site for several years,but now my account isn't available anymore so I did a new registration.
I planed to breed different hybrids this year.my main interest is in papilio species,but also saturnids did catch my eye in last weeks so I want to share some information here about hybrid breeding .what hybrids did you bred?can you post a picture of the offspring?
I saw papilio machaon x maackii, xuthus x maackii,machaon x xuthus,machaon x polyxenes,rumanzovia x memnon/lowii and a triple hybrid of memnon x rumanzovia x polymnestor (i don't know what was the hybrid mother crossed with the third species )
With so many species around the world,i wonder why there aren't any further hybrids.
especially in achilides group should be different constellations which gonna work.
how about paris,maackii,palinurus,dehaanii and bianor?what's possible here?
if you have any knowledge,feel free to write your thoughts now.
best regards from Germany!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:14:47 GMT -8
this is a good one, its machaon crossed with a well known Corsican species.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:16:31 GMT -8
this is pericles./palinurus
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:17:36 GMT -8
my maackii/.machaon
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:34:34 GMT -8
I think this one is memnon/ oenomaus
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:38:21 GMT -8
from memory, this hybrid is rumanzovia/ deiphobus
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 5:44:18 GMT -8
and lastly for today, this is papilio bairdi f brucei paired with papilio polyxenes asterius. Felix Stumpe has some very interesting hybrids of dehaani/bianor from Japan at the moment. Attachments:
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Post by felixb on Mar 22, 2012 7:27:45 GMT -8
Hi Dunc!
thank you very very much for such nice pictures!
did you bred any of them by yourself?
Best regards
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 7:49:09 GMT -8
unfortunatly no,this one is zelicaon/brevicauda, I do a lot of breeding but I leave the hybridisation to the experts. ;D Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 7:52:17 GMT -8
this one is papilio oregonius/papilio zelicaon. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 7:57:06 GMT -8
I think this is the last photo I have of all my hybrids, I must take pics of the others, this one is glaucus/rutulus and is a very beautiful pair. Attachments:
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Post by mygos on Mar 22, 2012 10:43:19 GMT -8
What interest do you find with hybrids ? Don't you think they are enough treasures in the wild  A+, Michel |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 22, 2012 13:48:28 GMT -8
this one is zelicaon/brevicauda, I do a lot of breeding but I leave the hybridisation to the experts. ;D Dunc, I am intrigued by this specimen. I made 'hybrids' between European machaon and brevicauda, and they all came out black with yellow spots, like brevicauda or polyxenes. I crossed these with hippocrates from Japan and half of the offspring were dark, as in the photo, and the other half were yellow. I am thus very surprised that brevicauda x zelicaon should be yellow - interesting. Adam. Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 22, 2012 13:50:58 GMT -8
Here's a yellow form of the same cross - (brevicauda male x machaon female) male x hippocrates female. Adam. Attachments:
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Post by ladobe on Mar 22, 2012 14:05:23 GMT -8
With so many species around the world,i wonder why there aren't any further hybrids. Depends on if you are referring to natural hybrids, or those intentionally induced by man. It is well documented that many do occur naturally in nature, some that only do so on their own between specific species/subspecies in specific places, and those that could do so genetically that do not even when their natural ranges do overlap. There are many reasons also documented why for all of the above. While many possibilities that are viable for hybridization at the hands of man worldwide, most professional/serious amateur Lepidopterists' only "make" hybrids intentionally if in the name of genetic research for any of several possible projects they might be working on to further the knowledge base of those species within a genus or family. As a very serious amateur Lepidopterist since the early 60's, it doesn't bother me (like it does some of those I've done research and field work with) when a collector makes hybrids "just to see if they can do it", or for a "show piece" for their collection... as long as the man made hybrids are not released at all, and especially not in or near a natural colony of either species. Have I "made" hybrids or abberations? Yes, for specific genetic projects I collaberated on for books, papers, etc that were all sent to the project leader. Most of those kept in my synoptic collection occurred naturally without the help of man. They have far more worth to me than man made hybrids do. The most extensive hybrid project I collaborated on for some years was with Austin P. Platt (PhD, UMBC) who was doing the entire Limenitis genus (its sp/ssp and natural intergardes) that occur in the Neararctic ecozone. So by default my favorite hybrids in my SC are those from that genus. The most prized is a very fresh intraspecific hybrid form "rubidus" collected 1983 in Allegany Co, MD that is a natural cross between an L. arthemus astyonax and L. archippus archippus. That small area of extreme west Maryland is within the edge of a blend zone where L. a. achippus can produce 2 hybrid F1 forms... "arthechippus" with L.a. arthemis and "rubidus" as above. Wild rubidus is rare with only a very, very few collected individuals as of 20 years ago anyway. So to have a wild one at all one was very rare. wildcalls2k.com/lep/rubidus450lc.jpg |
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