Collectors secret

re collectors secret page/site.
I find it interesting how beetles I sold to a collector in Australia are advertised by this guy OS.
How did he manage an export permit for these species when I can`t get one.
eg ; Temognatha aquillonia Buprestidae ,advertised as rare, I`m the only person to have ever collected males of this species .
Also other specimens Lucanidae set and pinned by me are here also , I know my specimens.
Do you support illegal trade ? The guy supporting Collector secret - Olivier ?
I wrote to you about advertising my legally collected and exported specimens to sell , not a reply. Gee if you advertised my beetles I could offer you a good very attractive discount and it would help you.

Wow ! I just had an upset phone call from an Australian collector .No names mentioned , as I didn`t use his full name in my comment yet he was very upset .He says I pin pointed him!
Asking me to edit my comments here. So till we sort this out I will do so.
His friend, the guy who rang me, in WA saw my comment to collector secret , The guy in Aust didn`t want to mention who it was in WA who alerted him for some reason ?? Yet his friend knew who I was talking about and rang him immediately .
So maybe the guy in WA can tell him where these comments are on insectnet then also just as fast.
No wonder people are getting upset with collector secret.
Olivier ? must be a better way of making a buck ?

Hope you can shed a bit more light on where the specimens you advertise are coming from.

Quite some time ago I was talking about illegal trade , and all that came up on insectnet was , BASICALLY, oh we know nothing about it .But we sell the illegally export specimens some how , secret I guess.
I gave up as nobody was willing to say anything and it was all going around in circles with useless comments except what was fact.
Guess I`ll just stick my head in the ground like an Ostrich or some secret insect collector and ignore the facts that it all exists.Just get on with making a small $ when I could be advertising legal specimens and making more of a $
Life will go on and it will get harder and harder for the legitimate collector and exporter in the future.Thanks to some secret people.
I already see a state in the US has banned all collecting even on private land .
I WONDER WHY , must be secret from the collectors point of view.
Maybe the man himself can say why he advertises illegally exported material.If not illegal he can come up with a source.I don`t think your friends will support you.
I notice once a name came up re who collector S is , attitudes changed because people found out who it was, a friend , colleague?
Once again I think I have opened a can of worms and the ### hits the fan.
Quite often I think I should spend more time on my real hobby fishing and forget about supplying legally exported specimens.
What a headache!

OK man in WA , happy now.Report to your colleague .

I`m not sure how your collector secret site works , I`m not a computer whiz.But reading a few comments a few people are not happy about the way things progress and you acknowledge and correct some adds/comments.
I can see you are willing to help?

But you are advertising illegally exported specimens. Whether you know it or not.Easy to ignore it I guess , I hope you don`t.
Even if I reported illegally exported specimens to ebay or who ever I doubt it will make a difference, its not cities , they say oh from old collection or some ridiculous comment. , But I`m talking to you , and you can make a difference . I don`t know what information you get.
But should you not know a bit more about what you advertise? Legal or illegal . Not just take a percentage of whatever is going on ebay.
Do you support legal trade ?

Do tell me where your Buprestid you advertise as rare Temognatha aquillonia comes from ?
I know , Mt Molloy Nth Qld I collected it.
Maybe we can do a good business in the future , I can catch lots of butterflies and breed some and have all legal export permits .Only one in Aust .
I specialise in beetles and have permits to export many species of butterflies from my immediate area and I need a customer, lowland rainforest and inland Eucalypt forest , send me a list of wants and I can work on helping you .
Support the legal guys.
Let me know and I can send you my full list of species I can export.
I`m a single collector , here we don`t have kids running around with nets catching everything they can like in some countries.
You say you are making minimum profit , I can help you double or triple that with north Queensland species , give me a go. Support an insectnet advertiser, you might be surprised.
Jack

Legislation is legislation , a difference between selling a specimen legal and illegal.Its easy to sit in your chair overseas and say that.
Sit in a chair here and say that you will be arrested . This is what I mean I talk about this ### and you guys just keep talking around the subject just to get your specimen and don`t care about how it was obtained , legal or illegal , its on the market not cities I want it OK buy it .I think the seller should be aware what he sells .Or he has no ethics although you portray you have..But then, I think that went out the window years ago.But you say oh we have morals and we support conservation. Like I say I do give up.
Australian authorities can`t check every parcel exported .So you africaone are basically saying if an illegal specimen comes up on the market , who gives a ### , its advertised I`ll buy it.Maybe after you buy it you should say and report where it came from . Oh of course not , we don`t know about these things. Up to me ho hum.
If Cities or not .
Legal export is legal.
Otherwise is shifty.
As I said earlier .
Easy to say I`m not aware of whats going on , saw it for sale on insectnet so buy it .
Anyway I give up the point .
People will buy whats there and available illegal or not .
So you don`t care as long as you get the specimen .
Poor ethics.
If I said I had to chop down a 100 year old tree to get the specimen which was illegal to export you would say the same thing .
I better go fishing more often than waste my time here .
Cheers guys

Jackblack . let us see who is defending illegal items here ? I think nobody here do it !
Don't attack us because you are upset by the destination of your items. If you really want to stop illegal trading of your items, you are the best person for contacting ebay or Australian authorities !
note that personally, I have nothing to do with any beetles from Australia ! also, I am collector of African lucanid and I don't have any Colophon in collection despite that these are (illegally) available on the market for everybody !

No problem jack.

Olivier

Stapleton,

Well, this specimen is sold by ilo44 who is a very trustworthy seller that many collectors (including me) trust a lot.

If you think it is not the right ssp., why don't you contact the seller to tell him to correct his ebay ads instead of posting here a message that very few ebayers will see, and that the seller won't see ?

This specimen is here if any specialist wants to give us their opinion. To me it could be the ssp naocoae. In the doubt, I have deleted the Classifieds ad.

Thank you